[GDT] Flames at Blues. 6:00, Sportsnet Flames, Fan 960

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I said the Hawks would win 8-1 last night, so I'll predict another blow out loss tonight.

Blues 7, Flames 3. Grossman with the hat trick.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

No he really didn't. I know a win sometimes clouds judgement especially if it's looked at as negative but Brodie did now have a good game yesterday. He was a -2 and did anyone not notice his weak okay with seconds ticking that almost cost us the game if not for a great play by Frolik and an even better save by Elliott? He was weak all night.

to sit him would be ridiculous, just move on

even if he did have a bad game

By your logic Toews should be sitting for the Hawks, he played like poop

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I've seen a multitude of posts singling Gio out from you, dating back to labeling him a "pylon" for getting beat by McDavid. ( )

Maybe you don't notice you're doing it... but you are. And don't get hung up on the word hate. Obviously I'm not inferring you want to run over his dog... but you're fixating on him in this poor start the team is having, and judging on a very small sample size using single instances to fit a narrative you've been weaving for a couple weeks now.

So what? Gio has been a pylon this season. He's looked beyond awful about 90% of the season thus far. I'm assuming he'll work his way out of it as he's still too talented not too, but he shouldn't be exempt of the criticism other players are getting.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

No he really didn't. I know a win sometimes clouds judgement especially if it's looked at as negative but Brodie did now have a good game yesterday. He was a -2 and did anyone not notice his weak play with seconds ticking that almost cost us the game if not for a great play by Frolik and an even better save by Elliott? He was weak all night.

1.) The first goal was due to Engelland's bonehead pass that zipped right past Brouwer.

2.) The second goal he was in proper position for, and as the PBP guys stated - 99% of the time that puck deflects away into the corner instead of between your own goalie's legs.

You're right in that he had the horrible shift in the final minute that nearly led to the game winning goal, but that was his one noticably bad shift all game. Engelland made more mistakes.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Disagree with removing Jokipakka from the lineup tonight - the defence has been playing better.

However, getting Grossmann into a rotation on a back-to-back against a big and physical squad is exactly the right time. He sure was a tire-fire against Edmonton at times, directly resulting in at least one goal against - arguably two - but he did good things that game as well.

I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. The entire team was making terrible mistakes. There is a need of more 'toughness', especially against a team like the Blues that run a bunch of plays directly at the net and then crash and bang to get 2nd and 3rd opportunities better than most teams in the league. It does make sense bringing him into this game.

Maybe he bombs, maybe he does well. He was both against Edmonton really, and considering new team, new coach, new system and the majority of the team playing like crap, he does probably deserve at least another chance at least to redeem himself.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

1.) The first goal was due to Engelland's bonehead pass that zipped right past Brouwer.

2.) The second goal he was in proper position for, and as the PBP guys stated - 99% of the time that puck deflects away into the corner instead of between your own goalie's legs.

You're right in that he had the horrible shift in the final minute that nearly led to the game winning goal, but that was his one noticably bad shift all game. Engelland made more mistakes.

Well thankfully I judged him on his entire game not just those three plays. He was weak and once again looked slow.

Pretty much the only Flame to look off yesterday. Engelland had a few turnovers and didn't look great but he made several other nice plays and was a beast on the PK.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

So what? Gio has been a pylon this season. He's looked beyond awful about 90% of the season thus far. I'm assuming he'll work his way out of it as he's still too talented not too, but he shouldn't be exempt of the criticism other players are getting.

Mark Giordano? The same Mark Giordano who is leading the Flames in ice time and points?

RE: and blocked shots

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

No he really didn't. I know a win sometimes clouds judgement especially if it's looked at as negative but Brodie did now have a good game yesterday. He was a -2 and did anyone not notice his weak play with seconds ticking that almost cost us the game if not for a great play by Frolik and an even better save by Elliott? He was weak all night.

Brodie had many shifts where he was the best player on the ice for either team. He was stuck dragging Engelland around though, which cost him one -1, and the other -1 was a crappy bounce where he was; in perfect position but angled his stick slightly wrong (Which is still on the winger defending the play bTW) f Brodie-Wideman was a good pairing for a few shifts though. I would like to see

Giordano-Hamilton
Brodie-Wideman
Jokipakka-Kulak

be our pairings for a while.

[erikk3]

Was saving this one for the loss tonight but then I saw Grossman....

[ClubFlames]

Originally Posted by erikk3

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[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Brodie had many shifts where he was the best player on the ice for either team. He was stuck dragging Engelland around though, which cost him one -1, and the other -1 was a crappy bounce. Brodie-Wideman was a good pairing for a few shifts though. I would like to see

Giordano-Hamilton
Brodie-Wideman
Jokipakka-Kulak

be our pairings for a while.

I agree with these 6, but not with the pairings.

Gio-Wideman
Kulak-Brodie
Jokipakka-Hamilton

[Strange Brew]

Disagree with Tkachuk drawing in tonight. Would like to see the team rolling before burning more of his 9 games.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Disagree with Tkachuk drawing in tonight. Would like to see the team rolling before burning more of his 9 games.

Treliving has already said that 9 isn't the number he's concerned with. We should't be concerned with it either.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I like how the Flames are moving along with Tkachuk. No pressure. Take games off and see how teams are playing, get him oriented not only to Calgary's system, but how other teams play. Get his ears wet.

If he improves, you stretch it out a bit more with the playing and occasional sitting. If he fades, you send him back to junior.

I don't care if it goes beyond playing him for 9 games and then sending him down. So his ELC kicks in. So what? He will only get 2 years to earn his next contract, so unless he does really, really well for those 2 years, he will most likely end up signing a bridge or a longer but relatively lower cap hit deal.

Does anyone think that Bennett is going to sign anywhere near where Monahan signed for? Guess a lot will have to do with how well Bennett does this year of course, but unless he gets 70+ points, I don't think it will approach Monahan's contract. I think the Flames will probably save money on the Bennett contract, probably saved a lot of money on the Gaudreau contract (imagine if he was offer-sheet eligible), and may be in the same position with Tkachuk and save money again.

Tkachuk playing 9 games or 10+ and then getting sent to junior is the least of my worries. Properly developing him is way more important.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

So what? Gio has been a pylon this season. He's looked beyond awful about 90% of the season thus far. I'm assuming he'll work his way out of it as he's still too talented not too, but he shouldn't be exempt of the criticism other players are getting.

Calling him a pylon is gross hyperbole. I get that tensions are running high around here but some of you (yourself included for using that term) are drama queens.

Calling Gio a pylon, suggesting Brodie be sat... some people need to dial it down several notches.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Treliving has already said that 9 isn't the number he's concerned with. We should't be concerned with it either.

I agree with Treliving on this. Some people make too big of a deal on wasting an ELC year. It happened with Bennett and it could be a blessing as right now his contract this summer doesn't look like it is going to be in Monahan's range. If he had one more year on his ELC he would have more time to play into a 6+ million contract

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Well thankfully I judged him on his entire game not just those three plays. He was weak and once again looked slow.

Pretty much the only Flame to look off yesterday. Engelland had a few turnovers and didn't look great but he made several other nice plays and was a beast on the PK.

As several people have pointed out, you're really off base. Brodie had a few bad plays but he was also skating the puck well in all three zones as well as he usually does.

Just like your Bennett is a winger / maybe trade him stance, you're fixating on something and finding individual instances to support a narrative that isn't really there.

[fire_starter]

Originally Posted by TBone290

Powerplay goals are a lot like bananas, they tend to come in bunches

Powerplay goals are a lot like pickles, they tend to come in bunches

Fixed it for ya.

[Geeoff]

I hope sitting Tkachuk works out the same way that sitting Gaudreau in his rookie season worked out.

[steveo]

Let's go flames!!
9-2 win for my cousins birthday.