[News] Flames hire Paul Jerrard and Dave Cameron to coaching staff

[N-E-B]

I see no logical reason to be upset about hiring Cameron as an assistant. In fact, I kind of like the hire.

[hockey.modern]

Here are the past numbers for special teams regarding to the new Calgary Flames assistant coaches in retrospect to their future roles in the organization. (Paul Jerrard - PK, Defence) (Dave Cameron - PP, Fowards)

Green - Good (#14-1)
Blue - Mediocre (#24-15) would use yellow, but hard to see
Red - Bad (#30-25)

PAUL JERRARD (PK)
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AHL - Iowa Stars Assistant Coach
2005-06 #24 - 80.2%
2006-07 #10 - 84.3%
2007-08 #23 - 80.5%

AHL - Iowa Chops | Assistant Coach
2008-09 #27 - 80.7%

AHL - Texas Stars | Assistant Coach
2009-10 #2 - 86.4%
2010-11 #23 - 80.9%

*NHL* - Dallas Stars | Assistant Coach
2011-12 #13 - 82.8%
2012-13 #17 - 81%

AHL - Utica Comets | Assistant Coach
2013-14 #19 - 82.1%
2014-15 #11 - 85.5%
2015-16 #4 -86.0%

DAVE CAMERON (PP)
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AHL - Binghamton Senators | Head Coach
2004-05 - N/A
2005-06 #6 - 19.7%
2006-07 #16 - 26.1%

NHL - Ottawa Senators | Assistant Coach
2011-12 #9 - 18.5%
2012-13 #20 - 15.9%
2013-14 #13 - 18.8%

NHL - Ottawa Senators | Head Coach
2014-15 #21 - 16.8%
2015-16 #26 - 15.8%

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[btimbit]

Good post hockey.modern.

Worth mentioning though; in Ottawa, Mark Reeds, the other assistant, was responsible for the PP until his illness and death in 2015

[Flames89]

Being a somewhat casual observer I, like many here, question the hiring of a guy with such a mediocre resume of running the PP - to run the PP

[UKflames]

So if I understand the new set up correctly, the guy who was the assistant coach is now the head coach and the guy who was the head coach is now the assistant coach, so if the head coach gets tossed from the game the other ex head coach can take over, works for me.

[StrykerSteve]

I'm not a fan of what this means for Gelinas.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

I'm not a fan of what this means for Gelinas.

Why not?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Why not?

For me it's the painful irony of Gelinas being the eye in the sky who is responsible for calling down for when we need a video review.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

For me it's the painful irony of Gelinas being the eye in the sky who is responsible for calling down for when we need a video review.

That's pretty funny.

Practically speaking, this looks to me like merely a sign of a young NHL coach still learning on the job. I think it is telling that Gelinas survived the coaching change, and it says that he is highly regarded by this management group. No reason for him to feel slighted, nor for fans to feel sorry for him.

[StrykerSteve]

They can spin it, sure. What I see is a coach from the previous regime retained that the new coach prefers to push into the press box so he can bring in his own guys. It's almost assured in my mind that should something go wrong, Gelinas would be the first axe to fall.

I could be way off base, it's just how I see it based on what we know.

On a side note, that crack about being the eye in the sky is spot on. Well done Matt, lol.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

They can spin it, sure. What I see is a coach from the previous regime retained that the new coach prefers to push into the press box so he can bring in his own guys. It's almost assured in my mind that should something go wrong, Gelinas would be the first axe to fall.

I could be way off base, it's just how I see it based on what we know.

On a side note, that crack about being the eye in the sky is spot on. Well done Matt, lol.

No doubt about it, Gelinas has been demoted. He's not our new coaches guy, but is someone the organisation for now, wants to be kept around, so they've found a job for him.

I do wonder how excited about this Gelinas is himself. But outside of my like for Gelinas because of his playing days here and that he seems like a nice guy, not sure we've gotten any data points that suggest from a coaching perspective losing him would be a huge loss to the team (I guess the fact Tree and Co. want him around is an indication that they see value..............or an indication that they are aware of his popularity with the fan base). I'm more concerned that Gully be given full control over his coaches and staff, as that is far more important factor to success IMO, can't have the head coach being micro managed on big decisions.

[FlamesAddiction]

I like the hires.

A good head coach will hire assistants that will challenge them when necessary and Cameron is probably someone who will do that.

[hockey.modern]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Good post hockey.modern.

Worth mentioning though; in Ottawa, Mark Reeds, the other assistant, was responsible for the PP until his illness and death in 2015

I was wondering if it was Mark Reeds running it, but reading from Darren Haynes website, it sounded like he ran it while Paul MacLean was the HC at the time.

An area Cameron will be involved in is the power play. Gulutzan talked positively about the Senators power play while he was in charge of it and working closely with MacLean, who is thought of as a strong power play guy. http://www.flamesfrom80feet.ca/2016/...ay-2-plus.html

[dino7c]

special teams has more to do with the players on the roster and their ability to execute anyway...PK already got miles better now that the shooter tutor is gone

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

They can spin it, sure. What I see is a coach from the previous regime retained that the new coach prefers to push into the press box so he can bring in his own guys. It's almost assured in my mind that should something go wrong, Gelinas would be the first axe to fall.

I could be way off base, it's just how I see it based on what we know.

On a side note, that crack about being the eye in the sky is spot on. Well done Matt, lol.

Except they could have fired him. As for the axe and being the first to go? He seems safer to me, removed from more direct responsibility and thus blame.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

They can spin it, sure. What I see is a coach from the previous regime retained that the new coach prefers to push into the press box so he can bring in his own guys. It's almost assured in my mind that should something go wrong, Gelinas would be the first axe to fall.

I could be way off base, it's just how I see it based on what we know.

On a side note, that crack about being the eye in the sky is spot on. Well done Matt, lol.

You can make an argument if Gelinas was one of Hartley's guys and not a guy with ties to the organization he would have been fired along with Hartley and Cloutier based on last seasons performance. He's actually kind of lucky to still have a job IMO.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

For me it's the painful irony of Gelinas being the eye in the sky who is responsible for calling down for when we need a video review.

His job is not exclusively for video review. He will be constantly on the line with the coaches, giving them a different view of things. Some things you simply can't see from ice level, and that's the advantage of having someone up top. I assume a part of his job(as well as Pringle's) would be to get the video ready as well for players/coaches during intermission and addressing adjustments we can make to be more successful. As a result, I don't see any problems with Gelinas being the eye in the sky.

PS: There was a very good video made with Hitchcock and his staff showing the constant communication with the person they have sitting up top. Unfortunately, I couldn't find it as I forget what it was called.

[JurassicTunga12]

Been away but I'm happy with the hires. Good stuff

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

Here are the past numbers for special teams regarding to the new Calgary Flames assistant coaches in retrospect to their future roles in the organization. (Paul Jerrard - PK, Defence) (Dave Cameron - PP, Fowards)

Green - Good (#14-1)
Blue - Mediocre (#24-15) would use yellow, but hard to see
Red - Bad (#30-25)

Really good post, but I think you were a little generous with the good/mediocre/bad breakdown. Having the 13th ranked PK seems mediocre to me, and being ranked 23rd or 24th is pretty bad.

The breakdown doesn't look nearly as good if you go with a more logical scale of 1-10=good, 11-20=mediocre and 21+=bad.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by gargamel

Really good post, but I think you were a little generous with the good/mediocre/bad breakdown. Having the 13th ranked PK seems mediocre to me, and being ranked 23rd or 24th is pretty bad.

The breakdown doesn't look nearly as good if you go with a more logical scale of 1-10=good, 11-20=mediocre and 21+=bad.

Even then, you can't logically break it down without considering the players on the rosters either. Without the right personnel the best system in the world would be unsuccessful.