[News] Treliving doesn't forsee moving forward with Ortio. Will circle back with Jooris.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Yes the rules specifically state that each club must expose:



If you can't meet the requirements of the expansion draft Daly said it would result in the loss of draft picks and/or players.

I don't think it will be difficult to sign or acquire a goalie to expose though... tons of them out there.

Could even extend Johnson, just to expose him.

So, can the Flames choose to expose an exempt goalie if they want?

For instance, could they choose to expose Schneider to the expansion draft?

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Krynn

I for one can't wait to see what Pribyl can do.I don't know why but I just get a good vib from him .I think he is going to be the surprise of the season

I expect him to be kinda like Colborne. And I only mean that half-jokingly
Big and skilled but not overly physical.

I hope Pribyl can complement the first line, because I really feel Bennett could use a real veteran like Brouwer on his line.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Pribyl
Shinkaruk-Bennett-Brouwer
Stajan-Backlund-Frolik
Ferland-Bouma-Chiasson

Or he could maybe be the "better linemate" for Bennett and Stajan could play the mentor role for Bennett?

Gaudreau-Monahan-Brouwer
Shinkaruk-Backlund-Frolik
Stajan-Bennett-Pribyl
Ferland-Bouma-Chiasson

Well, what do I know. Interesting to see the starting lineup next season anyway. Really hoping for a bounceback from Bouma too.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by heep223

Left side looks bad too...

If Tkachuk makes the team and Chiasson finds a bit of his potential:

Gaudreau/Monahan/Chiasson
Stajan/Backlund/Frolik
Tkachuk/Bennett/Brouwer
Ferland/Bouma/Hathaway

Much more balanced. Vets mixed with kids. Pretty good mix of size, speed and skill. Chance for that to be the best 4th line in the league.

Unlikely on Chiasson's part. Ottawa dumped him for a B-grade prospect. He is a bubble player on the Flames' roster - like a Jooris

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Anduril

In general our wings aren't great. It's not just the right side like often mentioned since Bouma and Ferland have yet to establish themselves as a top 6 or in Ferland's case, a top 9.

If anything our right side has better depth than the left.

Team looks incomplete as it stands. BT isn't done. You want to leave a spot or two for a rookie to make the team, but you can't go into the season with these wingers. And not talking a filler. We need a top 6 winger (hudlers shoes).

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Karl

Move Stajan for what? Why or how would he be movable for anything worthwhile?

This team is stuck with him for now, unless either you want back another terrible contract or unless the trade is massively lopsided in favour of the opposing team the Flames are trading with.

It astounds me how you or anyone can think Stajan is movable at this point, particularly in light of the fact that Treliving could not move Mason Raymond for anything, even at 50% retained salary and eventually had to buy him out.

Contracts of players that will never play the game again get moved. Stajan might be overpaid for his role, but his remaining contract is short and he is far from useless.

[cral12]

Sad to see Ortza depart. One of the first interviews I ever did (back in 2009).
I've posted here before, but had to share again...some great response by the then 18 yr old kid:
He's a good lad and hoping he finds hockey success wherever his path takes him...
Interview link

[Cantrader]

It looks like more and more ortio is going to europe

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Team looks incomplete as it stands. BT isn't done. You want to leave a spot or two for a rookie to make the team, but you can't go into the season with these wingers. And not talking a filler. We need a top 6 winger (hudlers shoes).

There's no cap space for any more signings. 14.9 (I think?) or so remaining with Johnny (7.5?) and Monahan (6.5?) still left to sign.

Probably shouldn't count Smid as an LTIR candidate at this point as nobody really knows... He was pretty much in the same position last off season being injured during the summer and the Flames were unable to do it then.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by activeStick

There's no cap space for any more signings. 14.9 (I think?) or so remaining with Johnny (7.5?) and Monahan (6.5?) still left to sign.

True, but we could still make a trade. Something like Wideman for Iginla would work salary-wise and probably would improve both teams. Probably too risky for Treliving to seriously consider it though.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

So, can the Flames choose to expose an exempt goalie if they want?

For instance, could they choose to expose Schneider to the expansion draft?

In an expansion draft you don't expose players you wish to be available; you protect players you don't want available.

[Locke]

One of the things that seems evident is that Treliving is brutal in his assessments of players.

Hes not keeping Glencross around because...y'know, Scoreface!

Hes not keeping Hudler around because...y'know...cool dogs bro!

Hes not keeping Russel around because...y'know...shot blocks!

Hes not keeping Ortio et al around just because.

If you're not part of his plan going forward theres the door.

I like it.

If you arent part of the long-term solution, see ya!

Sometimes being a good GM is about the contracts you dont sign.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Locke

One of the things that seems evident is that Treliving is brutal in his assessments of players.

Hes not keeping Glencross around because...y'know, Scoreface!

Hes not keeping Hudler around because...y'know...cool dogs bro!

Hes not keeping Russel around because...y'know...shot blocks!

Hes not keeping Ortio et al around just because.

If you're not part of his plan going forward theres the door.

I like it.

If you arent part of the long-term solution, see ya!

Sometimes being a good GM is about the contracts you dont sign.

Yeah I like how he's willing to cut bait rather than get emotionally attached to players. Colborne is a nice guy and a great ambassador for the team. The type of player every organization loves to have but he wasn't willing to go to arbitration and possibly end up paying more for the player than he felt the team could afford. Difficult decision I'm sure but they ended up going separate ways. He obviously valued Ortio last season as he waited a long time to put him through waivers but after the season he came to the realization that for this organization to move forward he had to provide a better tandem for the team. Getting emotionally attached to players is what got the Flames into the cycle of missing the playoffs in the first place so it's nice to see a GM that is all business when it comes to making the difficult decisions.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Locke

One of the things that seems evident is that Treliving is brutal in his assessments of players.



Hes not keeping Glencross around because...y'know, Scoreface!



Hes not keeping Hudler around because...y'know...cool dogs bro!



Hes not keeping Russel around because...y'know...shot blocks!



Hes not keeping Ortio et al around just because.



If you're not part of his plan going forward theres the door.



I like it.



If you arent part of the long-term solution, see ya!



Sometimes being a good GM is about the contracts you dont sign.

I might be misunderstanding you here, but those seem like good points. How does that make his assessment of players brutal?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by bax

I might be misunderstanding you here, but those seem like good points. How does that make his assessment of players brutal?

Brutal as in harsh and unforgiving, lacking sentimentality. Not brutal like poor.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by bax

I might be misunderstanding you here, but those seem like good points. How does that make his assessment of players brutal?

I mean brutal in a good way.

Colborne by all account was a great guy, good team player, Russel ditto, considered an excellent leader, Raymond was a pro, Hudler was good friends with Monahan and Gaudreau, so what? They dont fit into the plan so they're gone.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by bax

I might be misunderstanding you here, but those seem like good points. How does that make his assessment of players brutal?

In some circles Brutal is a compliment.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

In some circles Brutal is a compliment.

Precisely.

For example I'm a fan of Ortio, Jooris and Arnold and my personal assessment was to keep them around to see what becomes of them.

Not Treliving. They arent cutting it so out the door they go.

I liked both Russel and Hudler. They want too much money so they're gone.

Its a tough business but I like how he does it.

[Roof-Daddy]

Was just looking at past Flame draft picks, and realized that with the Flames moving on from Joni, the 2009 Flames draft class has been extinguished. Oreo was the last man standing out of Erixon, Howse, Bjorklund, Bennett, Patterson.

We do still have some residual going on due to the Erixon trade/fiasco. He became Horak plus 2 x 2011 2nd round picks, which became Wotherspoon and Granlund....and as we all know, Granlund became Shinkaruk.

Even still, the 2009 Flames draft is now KAPUT.

Also, with Bill Arnold getting cut loose as well, all that's left from the 2010 draft class is Micheal Ferland. Reinhart, Leach, Arnold, Ramage, and Holland all Flamed out.

So the Sutter regime draft legacy leaves us with:

Backlund (2007)
Brodie (2008)
Bouma (2008)
Ferland (2010)

[thymebalm]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

So the Sutter regime draft legacy leaves us with:

Backlund (2007)
Brodie (2008)
Bouma (2008)
Ferland (2010)

^Not bad. Considering the Flames were a playoff team through those years and not a basement dweller, he managed to get an NHLer a year out of the mix, and 1 of them is a franchise core player.

It's not huge but he didn't strike out.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Was just looking at past Flame draft picks, and realized that with the Flames moving on from Joni, the 2009 Flames draft class has been extinguished. Oreo was the last man standing out of Erixon, Howse, Bjorklund, Bennett, Patterson.

We do still have some residual going on due to the Erixon trade/fiasco. He became Horak plus 2 x 2011 2nd round picks, which became Wotherspoon and Granlund....and as we all know, Granlund became Shinkaruk.

Even still, the 2009 Flames draft is now KAPUT.

Also, with Bill Arnold getting cut loose as well, all that's left from the 2010 draft class is Micheal Ferland. Reinhart, Leach, Arnold, Ramage, and Holland all Flamed out.

So the Sutter regime draft legacy leaves us with:

Backlund (2007)
Brodie (2008)
Bouma (2008)
Ferland (2010)

You could say that Ferland won the Flames the Quarterfinals against Vancouver in 2015. You'd probably be wrong, but you could say it.

If that's true, at least Sutter managed to contribute to one playoff series victory during his time exclusively as the GM of the Flames.