June 15 6 pm Treliving Ticket Holder Information Session

[Krynn]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Rittich learned everything he knows about Calgary from Wikipedia. Lol

Lmfao that's awesome

[mikephoen]

I think part of the problem is Treliving plays everything close to the vest. Feaster would take mundane questions and actually give away some info, or at least give you stuff that you could infer information from. Treliving gives away very little, and Burke tries to entertain. He does a pretty good job of entertaining, but he doesn't give much info that you can infer from.

And it's hard to ask good questions. They aren't going to tell you their draft order. They aren't going to give even hints at who the coach will be. They aren't going to tell you their plan for Wideman or who they're targeting for goalies.

The only real tidbits I got from it were that Treliving mentioned Columbus really quickly when asked about the draft with no prompting. Might be nothing, but I thought it was interesting that that came up right away in his response. And both Burke and Treliving mentioned and talked about the defensemen available at 6 more than other players (Nylander was also mentioned. Brown was not).

But I can't think of much else of interest.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

Burke also mentioned that Janko has all the tools and is "flawless" skill wise, but is "slow".

Not slow as in slow moving, but decision making. His example was taking too long to decide to shoot the puck, resulting in it getting blocked. Sounds fixable to me. But clearly their expectations for Janko remain quite low for the near future.

[united]

As always, my own interpretations and paraphrasing off memory. I don't mean to take things out of context but it may happen.

Started with the COO doing the CalgaryNext routine. I won't spend too much time on it as it's the same spin as usual and I honestly wasn't paying much attention beyond the first few minutes.
- Plan B is to have the new arena just North of the Saddledome where the parking lots are now, $20-to-$90 million in McMahon renovations, and the field house in the City's hands but most likely beside McMahon.
- Flames are meeting with the city again on June (24th or 27th)
- I hope I misheard this part, so please correct me if so: The Flames, relative to the NHL, are a small market team so need the City and citizens' cooperation on the rink. If Calgary had a population of 6 million people or more things would be different and the owners would pay for the rink on their own entirely.
- CalgaryNext will have 2,400 parking stalls so parking concerns are overblown. In addition, shuttles will constantly run to CalgaryNext from downtown parkades/surface lots.
- For CalgaryNext, the remediation of the contaminated land would take place over many years. First the arena location would be remediated and once built the rest would start to be remediated. Not all at once.
- Bunch of stuff about how the Flames' dollar figure is more accurate than the City's. Zzzzzz.

The better stuff:
- Flames will be the Oilers' opponent in the Oilers' home opener (as mentioned by MissTeeks). (My opinion: Flames fans should invade the place for the Flames win)
- Fan asked about why the Flames need to get bigger given the roster the Penguins won the Cup with. Flames need to get bigger, but not at the expense of skill, speed, or intelligence. That said, the Sharks beat the Kings and Blues who are big teams. Thinks the Sharks were completely worn out by the finals due to physicality, travel, and age - easily could have been swept if not for Jones' goaltending. Burke thinks DeBoer is a tremendous coach but thinks he failed to make adjustments to slow the pace down given his veterans were running on fumes.
- 99.9% sure Gillies will not require protection in the expansion draft should one happen (wink wink nudge nudge) IF one happens. Don't want to get fined for talking about what may or may not happen.
- Flames have been running mock expansion drafts since Christmas using different rule sets on protection.
- Burke thinks an expansion team this time around will be a playoff contender with the "proposed" rules.
- Jankowski made good progress but is still mentally too slow. Not meaning hockey sense or awareness, but in terms of shooting before the lane is blocked or urgency, for example. Has the tools in every other category. Most likely will start in Stockton but there's a chance he could have a big camp. As DionTheDman said. Obviously they valued him more than a second-round pick as they signed him. Burke says every team he's talked to had Jankowski on their to-draft list but no one he knows of, other than the Flames, had him as a first-round pick.
- Flames philosophy is best player available regardless of anything. Not like the NFL where you draft a guy to fill a key position. Have to think years ahead.
- Think there's the big three then a shelf to pick (to pick 9 or 10 I think he said?)
- Have run draft mocks and have trade values all thought of ahead of time. You only have five minutes to ponder a trade so you need to be prepared for every possibility ahead of time.
- Contrary to what people think, teams with two good goaltenders haven't loaded one onto a bus en route to Calgary for free. Despite the "proposed" rules, goalies will still cost to acquire.
- Flames goaltending fell off a cliff last year - nobody could have predicted such a dramatic drop after the previous season.
- Big part of a coaches job is getting the most out of players, and felt Hartley got as much out of the players as he could - which was a lot. Thinks he'll be back in the NHL soon. Made a comment about no matter how good a coach is, eventually there starts to be pushback, then quickly said the inmates will never run the asylum. May have got context wrong here - read into it as you will.
- Spent a ton of time modelling their vision of coach and brought that to interviews. Very close but no news yet. Asked specifically about Rierdan and Gulitzen and said he won't comment on any individuals who may or may not be in the running.
- Asked about analytics as always. The question is so old Burke didn't even trot out the lamp post quote. Basically same as always: Flames have the best analytics in the league, far beyond Corsi and Fenwick, and beyond anything they've seen on the internet. That said, it's only a part of the evaluation. In interviews, gave coaching candidates a sampling and all of them said they had never seen anything like it before.
- No rush on Gaudreau and Monahan. Gaudreau isn't offer sheet eligible so if he's not playing come the start of the season it's a disagreement over money. Monahan is offer sheet eligible but they have a plan for if that were to happen.
- Waiting on exact cap numbers before beginning serious negotiations with other players.
- Flames will not ever give out a NMC. Have lost free agents as a result, but so be it. Limited NTC is okay.
- No plan to retire numbers. Mention Boston as a place where defencemen can hardly get a low number because half of them are retired. #14 will probably have a celebration of some sort "very soon". Again as DionTheDman said.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

The only real tidbits I got from it were that Treliving mentioned Columbus really quickly when asked about the draft with no prompting. Might be nothing, but I thought it was interesting that that came up right away in his response. And both Burke and Treliving mentioned and talked about the defensemen available at 6 more than other players (Nylander was also mentioned. Brown was not).

Sounds as if they're hoping to trade up. CBJ is probably out of the realm of possibility, but VAN is plausible given that Treliving's a master of trades and Benning is completely and utterly useless at them.

[Southside]

Apparently the Saddledome needs bike racks.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

The only real tidbits I got from it were that Treliving mentioned Columbus really quickly when asked about the draft with no prompting. Might be nothing, but I thought it was interesting that that came up right away in his response.

Can you provide a bit more context / be more specific about this? Sounds interesting.

[Roof-Daddy]

Love the no NMC policy.

Those are complete BS anyways.

[Robbob]

Regarding Columbus it was the cost being asked to move up is really expensive. He also mentioned decent interest from teams if they wanted to move down that option is there although probably not likely.

Only other thing mentioned that I didn't see posted was the penalty if you aren't compliant for the expansion draft is your first rounder. They probably know more then they are willing to admit about the expansion draft, but general sense is they don't know all the details and are waiting for them to be ironed out.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Can you provide a bit more context / be more specific about this? Sounds interesting.

Unfortunately not much more to add. Treliving was asked a fairly general question about the draft and who might be targeted. His first line of response was basically that they hoped they were getting a top player there in kind of a jokey manner. Then he mentioned Columbus as a team that might be looking to do something, and then talked more about general draft stuff without giving much away. It was really just a very casual mention of Columbus, but that was the only specific team he mentioned in regards to moving either up or down.

Burke also mentioned that it's hard to move up in the draft but that he had moved up in the draft before and he did infer that he was encouraging Brad to do it.

Both of these things are definitely me reading between the lines to try to find any tidbits from this session though. I've been to a dozen or more of these things, and I would say this one was one of the least informative for the hard core fan.

[btimbit]

Any mention of buyouts? Obviously they'd never name names, but did the topic come up?

[getbak]

The mention of Columbus was more in the context of who they think will go top-3 since there have been rumours that the Jackets might be interested in someone other than one of the big three guys in the rankings. If someone ahead of you takes someone unexpected, it means that your "top eight" list can become a "top ten", which opens the possibility of trading down.

It really sounded like they're much more likely to trade down from 6 than to trade up.


As we've heard a few times before, it really sounds like they're planning on moving a second rounder (at least) for a goalie.


Burke's mention of Jankowski being slow was more about not yet playing at an NHL pace than it was about his actual speed. He said that Janko's fundamentals are great and his shot should be shown to kids to show them how to shoot, but he just needs to get up to the pace of the NHL. It sounds like they expect him to get there, just not sure if it'll be out of camp; midseason; or if he'll need at least a full year in the AHL.

Also with regards to Jankowski, Treliving mentioned that a lot of kids coming out of junior, college, and Europe don't show enough respect for the AHL, and they need to understand that you're now fighting for a job with guys who are 32 years-old, married with 3 kids and playing in the AHL is how they feed their families. Treliving mentioned that in the context that Jankowski wasn't like that and showed up willing to work and do what was asked of him in Stockton.



As others have said, this was probably the worst Q&A I've attended.

[Rhettzky]

My buddy won a prize. It was a fancy tea mug and a golf shirt and something else in a box that he didn't open. It could have been anything... even a boat!

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Rhettzky

My buddy won a prize. It was a fancy tea mug and a golf shirt and something else in a box that he didn't open. It could have been anything... even a boat!

It might even be Jack in the box or even a d*** in a box.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Any mention of buyouts? Obviously they'd never name names, but did the topic come up?

He mentioned that the buyout window is currently open but they haven't made any decisions about buying someone out (the guy who asked the question asked about "compliance" buyouts, so Treliving pointed out that there are no more compliance buyouts, and they all come with a corresponding cap hit).

They must be at least considering buying out Raymond because in the past, he's always been clear that they wouldn't be buying anyone out, but this time he was noncommittal.

[bob-loblaw]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

Not slow as in slow moving, but decision making. His example was taking too long to decide to shoot the puck, resulting in it getting blocked. Sounds fixable to me. But clearly their expectations for Janko remain quite low for the near future.

You'd think they'd be fine with that, because decision-making is a slow process for some people.

[Flames0910]

Originally Posted by Southside

Apparently the Saddledome needs bike racks.

Did somebody ask about this?

Would love to hear what they had to say — I almost always bike the the dome. There are a few racks behind the admin area but they're in a low traffic area and seem like a good way to have a bike stolen, so I prefer to lock to a sign post out front. Seems like it would be easy to install a few bike racks even if the demand is low.

[Flamescuprun2018]

Other tidbits from the open session:

BT: They think Gillies is safe (excluded from eligible for expansion draft) but rules still not 100% clear.

BB: To win Stanley Cup you need to beat one team with size, another team with speed, the third team with special teams and the fourth team with a hybrid of all three.

BB: Emphasized the bridge deal concept. Foreshadowing?

BT: Made one small slip by saying there were some forwards available at 6 he liked. But then added also defensemen too seconds later? A Nylander tell perhaps.

BT: Definitely will never allow NMC. Will only allow a NTC with a limited number of teams ineligible to trade to. I think it was 9 teams so that there at least 20 the Flames can trade to. Really liked that philosophy.

BT: Hinted we have lots of 2nd round picks. We need a #1 goalie because important position! Stay tuned.

BB: Czech goalie we signed sought after by other teams.

After main session (in person):

Our UFA defensemen become more valuable closer to trade deadlines. Got sense they are more likely to be moved if at all at that point.

Likes Juolevi over Chychrun and Sergachev. Also likes Nylander not concerned with his work ethic, great skill.

Wideman NMC really limits options for trade.

Open to UFA forward if the cap math can work.

Likes Reimer but also will definitely explore all options.

Very friendly and not pretentious at all.

[taffeyb]

Originally Posted by Flames0910

Did somebody ask about this?

Would love to hear what they had to say — I almost always bike the the dome. There are a few racks behind the admin area but they're in a low traffic area and seem like a good way to have a bike stolen, so I prefer to lock to a sign post out front. Seems like it would be easy to install a few bike racks even if the demand is low.

Someone did, in fact, make a comment on bike racks. Classic Burke reply...something along the lines of..."I have one of those new bike lanes going by my house...for those SEVEN people that I have seen using them..." Other than that, no other response. It was more of a comment than a question.

Flames0910...I would probably not ask Burke this question if you happen upon him...

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018

Likes Juolevi over Chychrun and Sergachev. Also likes Nylander not concerned with his work ethic, great skill.

Awesome! I think Juolevi is easily the better defenseman, especially mentally. He might not be super-impressive right now, but he's the kind of guy that will be one of the best in the game over time simply because of how he thinks the game. Very important for a defenseman.

I'm also happy that they're not down on drafting another smaller highly skilled forward, even though I'm not particularly bullish on Nylander.