Weird trade idea EDM/CGY

[CaptainCrunch]

The bottom line for me when I look at the Edmonton woes, is that they've had multiple coaches in that organization over the last few years and the biggest constant is that every coach comes out at one time of another and questions the work ethic and commitment of the core.

So while Eberle is a good offensive player, I would bet that he's going to get very little interest because a GM is going to look at his contract, but also look at the fact that Eberle is a big part of the reason why the Oilers are terrible.

If you want the poster boy for lack of effort, lack of two way game and lack of desire and battle, its Eberle. Whether he just gave up or never had the above in the first place is a question that only the Oilers can answer.

But he, Hall and RNH are at complete fault for the Oilers year after year occupation of the bottom slots of the league, and GM's aren't dummies, they know. I'm betting when trade talks come up guys like Renney and all of the other coaches get phone calls, and they say the same thing.

Those guys never get sprinkles on their ice cream, because sprinkles are for winners.

I bet when they put in a call to that interim coach from last year, he will say with relief that the day that he left the Oilers and Hall, Eberle and RNH was the day that the shooting pains in his left arm and jaw went away.

With the cap world as tight as it is, I doubt any team is going to give up much for a $6 million dollar player like Eberle who only gives a crap when he has the puck in the offensive zone.

By the way, that's not the coaches fault, every coach that went through the Oilers organization including Eakins is a long time hockey coach who knows the game and has taught countless players how to play it.

Its the players fault and in the words of Kevin Costner in draft day "Its a character issue, I think he's a bust".

Now Captain you say in a voice that sounds like a combination of Darth Vader and a Pikachoo, how can a young 60+ point a player be a bust.

He's a bust because while he's very talented, he plays like he doesn't care about winning. That to me is a bust.

at 6 million bucks.

Good luck Oilers in getting top 4 defensemen without giving up guys like Draisatl (Really unimpressive in the second half of last year and played like he'd given up), Nurse (severely handicapped by his decision making and lack of hockey IQ) or even Hall (Though he's not Rocket Scientologist either, and seems to be the sputtering engine driving that loser core, lazy, non committed, and a quitter (doubt me, look at the last half of last year, he quit))

[CogNoman]

List of #6 picks:
2004 Al Montoya (Goalie)
2005 Gilbert Brule
2006 Derick Brassard
2007 Sam Gagner
2008 Nikita Filatov
2009 Oliver Ekman-Larsson
2010 Brett Connolly
2011 Mika Zibanejad
2012 Hampus Lindholm
2013 Sean Monahan

Eberle is certainly better than some (most?) previous #6 picks.

I would mostly be worried about the fact that he's coming from years of losing. I have a bit more faith in a player who comes from a winning team (Jiri Hudler being a good example) than one from a bottom team (Bouwmeester and Jokinen maybe being examples of this - they were both good players, but we never really won while they were here).

[mikeecho]

Even if Eberle was worth a 6th overall pick (and he's not), you still don't make this trade because of how it would impact the cap. The benefit of drafting players (especially high picks that project well) is getting them on the ELC. They don't always turn out well, but neither does having a roster loaded with big $$ contracts.

[Johnny Rotten]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

That's untrue. Hall or Draisaitl would be more than worth 6th.

Eberle though?

Not remotely.

A big YES for Draisaitl, and a small yes for Hall.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Johnny Rotten

A big YES for Draisaitl, and a small yes for Hall.

Not so sure about Draisaitl.
Had 52 points last year, but only 14 in last 32 games (simply used 20 game segments), and coming off ELC after upcoming season.
I dunno

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Not so sure about Draisaitl.
Had 52 points last year, but only 14 in last 32 games (simply used 20 game segments), and coming off ELC after upcoming season.
I dunno

I'm not sold on the kid yet. I think he'll be good, though that skating. But he's an intelligent hockey player which is a rare find for the oilers.

But he was horrid in his first year, then had the inverse Yak last year where he was very good in the first half, and then a combination of teams figuring out that he was a threat and what looked like a give it up attitude lead to a dreadful second half.

This year will be the tale of the tape. I firmly believe that he will be a good NHL'er, its just a question of if he's a good bottom half or top 6'er.

[CSharp]

If Gaudreau wasn't already on the team, I'd do that trade any day. Adding Eberle now would makes no sense. The Flames team needs to get bigger in every aspect.

[Poe969]

I don't know why anyone would even want Eberle... he's really over rated and really over paid.

Oiler fans think he's amazing but he really isn't.

[saXon]

Originally Posted by Johnny Rotten

A big YES for Draisaitl, and a small yes for Hall.

He may be Derp, but the fact is Hall has a pure raw skill that can't be learned. When he was paired up with Gaudreau for the all star game, they had some nice chemistry on ice.



For those concerned about the compete, and locker room disease, Derp wouldn't be as comfortable as he has been in Championville. He'd have to contend with Gio, then the HC, then Treliving, and if it came to Burke talking to him, his corpse wouldn't be identifiable by that point.

So a big yes to Derp for 6th OA.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by speeds

If you were the GM of the Flames, would you trade 6OV for Eberle?

Eberle has already shown his cards as a pro: a second line special teams player at best. Regardless of how the Oilers view him, he would not be a guy that could alter this team to the point needed upfront. Especially on a contract that leaves a lot to be desired.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by saXon

He may be Derp, but the fact is Hall has a pure raw skill that can't be learned. When he was paired up with Gaudreau for the all star game, they had some nice chemistry on ice.



For those concerned about the compete, and locker room disease, Derp wouldn't be as comfortable as he has been in Championville. He'd have to contend with Gio, then the HC, then Treliving, and if it came to Burke talking to him, his corpse wouldn't be identifiable by that point.

So a big yes to Derp for 6th OA.

A) Everyone has chemistry in the all star game.
B) Who hasnt had chemistry with Gaudreau?

[nik-]

I have no chemistry with Gaudreau.

All his passes are into my skates

[Flames Draft Watcher]

What's funny to me is that so many dislike this trade idea and yet so many want us to draft Nylander. IMO you're hoping Nylander develops into a slightly better, slightly bigger version of Eberle. Both are skilled, soft forwards who have questionable compete defensively. Sure Nylander would come cheap for 3 years but if he turns out he'll be making 6+ million pretty quick.

[dammage79]

Figures. FDW comes jumping in and correlates Nylander to Eberle with no substantial comparisson. Give it up already.

Any chance you can get eh?

[Poe969]

Nylander would only make 6 mil on the Flames if he earned it. Eberle got the contract because....oilers gonna oil?

Even if they project to be the same type of player, they could at least start early with Nylander and try to teach him and help him become a better player. With Eberle, what you see is what you get and it isn't that good.

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

What's funny to me is that so many dislike this trade idea and yet so many want us to draft Nylander. IMO you're hoping Nylander develops into a slightly better, slightly bigger version of Eberle. Both are skilled, soft forwards who have questionable compete defensively. Sure Nylander would come cheap for 3 years but if he turns out he'll be making 6+ million pretty quick.

If he gets 6+ million pretty quick with the Flames, it would mean he turned out to be like 13 or 23 which I don't think many would be too upset about that. I personally don't think Flames would give him 6+ if he turned out like Eberle.

[blankall]

Naw...doesn't fit our needs. Eberle is a smaller skilled player, and we have too much of that in our top 6 as it is. At 26, he's in his prime, but the Flames, as a whole, are not in their prime. The Flames are probably 3 years off from being serious contenders, at which point Eberle will be almost 30.

We need a younger and bigger player. I like the options available at #6.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Not so sure about Draisaitl.
Had 52 points last year, but only 14 in last 32 games (simply used 20 game segments), and coming off ELC after upcoming season.
I dunno

It's funny, Colborne scored at a high rate at the end of the season but people discount that because the pressure was off. Maybe Draisatl is a pressure player?

[T@T]

Eberle must have 16 family members in here.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by nik-

I have no chemistry with Gaudreau.

All his passes are into my skates

You can't imagine how amazing that feat is, considering your skates are probably all dusty and hidden in the corner of your basement, and for Johnny to be able to pass the puck into your skates from the dome means that he is certainly better then Michael Jordan'ss off the roof across the freeway off the cats face nothing but net shot.

Johnny is a god