STH Info Sessions (May 24, May 25, June 15)

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Bingo

And I love what the Burke comments will do to the Oilers.

Chiralli and crew have smart guys in the room. They're not idiots (this could cause some debate), they are fully aware of the games that get played and that comments are meant to confuse not educate.

But they can't ignore them either.

And that alone makes the Burke comments gold because they now have to worry about the 6th pick if they want to move down.

Classic.

This is true and I didn't really think of it from that perspective. There probably is a good chance the Oilers might want to trade down to draft Juolevi but now have to worry if he will be there. Not sure how effective it will be but its worth a shot.

[Weitz]

I think if you trade down you are resigning to the fact you may not get your guy. But if you view say 3 or 4 guys the same and don't mind which you get then you can trade down.

I still think the Oilers trading down will depend on what if any trades they can do prior to the draft.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Russic

(paraphrasing the question, not the answer)

"What do you think about the Coyotes and their 26 year old GM?"

"I'm happy they're in our division"

That was pretty awesome.

I disagree cuz that's ignorant. We imply he's dumb cuz he's 26? A lot of young guys are really high up in many firms. I highly doubt Burke know the guy enough to make such a comment. Not to mention he will have Tippett overlooking his moves any moves.

Usually I don't care for what Burke says but he's been irritating this off-season. First the "we have 8 guys we really like" which flopped "we have a ledge of top 6" a week later after the lottery. It's one thing to not show your hands but flip flopping like that and this comment re Coyotes GM doesn't impress anyone.

[automaton 3]

As others have mentioned there is likely an element of gamesmanship here.

It wouldn't break my heart if the Flames thought he was the BPA and picked him either. Looks like he'll be a fine player if he pans out as projected.

[automaton 3]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

I disagree cuz that's ignorant. We imply he's dumb cuz he's 26?

Seriously...

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by automaton 3

Seriously...

Can I help you?

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

I disagree cuz that's ignorant. We imply he's dumb cuz he's 26? A lot of young guys are really high up in many firms. I highly doubt Burke know the guy enough to make such a comment. Not to mention he will have Tippett overlooking his moves any moves.

Usually I don't care for what Burke says but he's been irritating this off-season. First the "we have 8 guys we really like" which flopped "we have a ledge of top 6" a week later after the lottery. It's one thing to not show your hands but flip flopping like that and this comment re Coyotes GM doesn't impress anyone.

I don't consider it a flop at all. That comment on the 8 guys was before the draft where there was a slim possibility that the Flames drafted 8th. Just playing the game. Now after the draft we draft 6 and low and behold he says the ledge is after the sixth pick, which the Flames hold. Translation: it will cost you if you want to trade up to this spot.

Every bit of everything that is going on right now is a smoke show with everything little bit of it calculated and said with a purpose.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Can I help you?

Cuz is the grade 3 way of spelling because. Fans of the English language hate the new fancy shortcuts.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

On Rasmus Andersson: "Behind his back we call him Shrek...because he is kinda ugly".

Small thing, but this is the part of Burke that irks me. There's no reason to say childish things like this in public about a player. Sure it's a joke, but there's no potential benefit here, just possibility for damage.

I remember him making these type of flippant comments about Gaudreau as well, and I'm sure they were part of the reason there was some doubt on the part of his family about signing with Calgary.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Small thing, but this is the part of Burke that irks me. There's no reason to say childish things like this in public about a player. Sure it's a joke, but there's no potential benefit here, just possibility for damage.

I remember him making these type of flippant comments about Gaudreau as well, and I'm sure they were part of the reason there was some doubt on the part of his family about signing with Calgary.

What doubt? You mean the doubt that some posters on CP had, which in reality was absolutely nothing?

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

What doubt? You mean the doubt that some posters on CP had, which in reality was absolutely nothing?

I can't seem to find the source, but I do remember one of the Gaudreau family members implying there was some doubt there with being a good fit with Calgary based on the team always saying they wanted to get bigger. I wouldn't be surprised if Burke constantly making fun of his size when he first arrived was part of that assumption.

The point is that, making fun of players physical appearance publicly like he did with Andersson has very little, if any, positive benefit. It just doesn't come across as being very professional.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

I disagree cuz that's ignorant. We imply he's dumb cuz he's 26? A lot of young guys are really high up in many firms. I highly doubt Burke know the guy enough to make such a comment. Not to mention he will have Tippett overlooking his moves any moves.

Usually I don't care for what Burke says but he's been irritating this off-season. First the "we have 8 guys we really like" which flopped "we have a ledge of top 6" a week later after the lottery. It's one thing to not show your hands but flip flopping like that and this comment re Coyotes GM doesn't impress anyone.

There was no implication that he was dumb (that's on you, actually), simply that he is inexperienced at everything 'GMing' except analysis.

Being the GM of an NHL team is a huge job, and has many more fronts than simply drafting and trading.

Everything I hear and read about Chayka suggests that he is an extremely bright young man. Regardless, there is no way in hell that I would make him GM (yet) if it were my team.

[CliffFletcher]

Everything Burke says is theatre. There is nothing to be gleaned from his comments one way or another. Best just to regard it as entertainment and not get worked up about what any of it means, because it doesn't mean anything.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Table 5

I can't seem to find the source, but I do remember one of the Gaudreau family members implying there was some doubt there with being a good fit with Calgary based on the team always saying they wanted to get bigger. I wouldn't be surprised if Burke constantly making fun of his size when he first arrived was part of that assumption.

The point is that, making fun of players physical appearance publicly like he did with Andersson has very little, if any, positive benefit. It just doesn't come across as being very professional.

I really think you are making too much of it. It was a joke, and it was funny. It couldn't cause any damage, as you could tell he really likes the player.
Same with the Arizona GM shot. More of a shot against analytics than age, in my opinion. Doesn't really mean anything, other than is confident in BT dealing with anyone in the league.

[FacePaint]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

I disagree cuz that's ignorant. We imply he's dumb cuz he's 26? A lot of young guys are really high up in many firms. I highly doubt Burke know the guy enough to make such a comment. Not to mention he will have Tippett overlooking his moves any moves.

Usually I don't care for what Burke says but he's been irritating this off-season. First the "we have 8 guys we really like" which flopped "we have a ledge of top 6" a week later after the lottery. It's one thing to not show your hands but flip flopping like that and this comment re Coyotes GM doesn't impress anyone.

It wasn't because he was young. He was referring to folks being too obsessed with analytics... thinks it works great for baseball but not as good for hockey. He compared analytics it to a drunk leaning on a lamppost- it's good for support but doesn't provide much illumination (something like that). It got a good laugh as well.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Table 5

I can't seem to find the source, but I do remember one of the Gaudreau family members implying there was some doubt there with being a good fit with Calgary based on the team always saying they wanted to get bigger. I wouldn't be surprised if Burke constantly making fun of his size when he first arrived was part of that assumption.

The point is that, making fun of players physical appearance publicly like he did with Andersson has very little, if any, positive benefit. It just doesn't come across as being very professional.

Tend to agree with bolded part about Burke in general. I am glad there is an experienced guy at the top, I guess, but whenever I hear Burke I think to myself "There's a guy who is not quite as smart as he thinks he is".

Certainly ironic for a guy with Burke's sense of style to make fun of another person's appearance.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

I really think you are making too much of it. It was a joke, and it was funny. It couldn't cause any damage, as you could tell he really likes the player.
Same with the Arizona GM shot. More of a shot against analytics than age, in my opinion. Doesn't really mean anything, other than is confident in BT dealing with anyone in the league.

I don't think its a huge deal by any means (and I stated that in my initial post), I just think it's one of those things that can bite people in the ass if they are not careful. Joke or not, nobody likes to be mocked, and Im sure some guys take it personally. As much as this is a business, there are still people involved.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Certainly. I still think Juolevi is redundant on the Flames. Not because he is no good but the Flames have ample players in a similar style. Brodie, Anderssen, Kylington, Wotherspoon, Hickey and Hamilton are all the same kind of two way guys the Flames have an abundance of.

It would be a bad thing to add another Dman with a skillset similar to Brodie and/or Hamilton?

As for the other guys listed, they haven't accomplished anything yet. That kind of reasoning would have been like saying:

-Kesler (23rd, 2003) would be redundant on the Flames, because we already have Nystrom (10th, 2002)
-Lucic (50th, 2006) would be redundant, we already have Prust (70th, 2004)
-Holtby (93rd, 2008) would be redundant, we already have Irving (26th, 2006)

If Juolevi is seen as being the BPA, then that's who you draft, regardless of what's currently on your team or in your system.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

He was specifically asked about Nylander and Brown so I wouldn't take Burke's comments as evidence they were on the next "ledge".

Yeah I've been thinking about that comment too. Wouldn't surprise me if both Nylander and Brown were out of our top 8. The Flames may have all three of the big three dmen in the 6-8 range.

At least we've got some new quotes to speculate about lol.

[SuperMatt18]

The thing is Burke said he thinks that this Nylander will be better than his brother.

If he truly believes that then there should be no way he is outside our top 8 - and should probably be in our top 6.