What Are Your Picks For 5 Major Offseason Move By Flames

[Harry Lime]

HC : Dale Hawerchuk
6th Overall : Whomever is left of Dubois, Tkchuck, or Chychrun
#1 Goalie : MA Fleury
Trade : Wideman, Colborne, Kulak + any picks after #6 (OUT) MA Fleury and Alex Chaisson (IN)
Buyout : I think Raymond is buried in the minors. Grant would displace Stajan, so I dunno.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Why on Earth would Hamilton demand a trade? Why? He has a position here to be our #2, or even #1 defenseman for years! We're paying him excellent money. Is Darryl Sutter really going to make him want to leave?

Does Darryl Sutter clash with all young skilled defensemen? Is that why Drew Doughty has two Stanley Cups?

Ricardo, it really isn't necessary to bog down every single thread with this Hamilton-hating nonsense. There is no precedent here. Sutter will likely not even come here as coach. And how do you know he won't get along with Hamilton?

Also, what long-term cap problem? I can't see one, to be honest. Don't you think trading Wideman, even at 50% retained would be a better way to save ourselves $2.75 million? And then $5.5 million? For ever, after that? Instead of saving not even $3 million to employ a not-as-good defenseman in Travis Hamonic instead of Dougie Hamilton, who happens to be three years younger, as well?

This is simply mind-bottling.

There is a difference between 5 more years at 5.75 and 1 more year at 5.5. Truly mind-bottling? that you would not understand that.

Hamomic was the #1 d-man in ice time on a playoff team. Hamilton was #4/5 toi on a low placed lottery team.

Playing behind Hamonic a journeyman goalie making 1.5M signing a UFA contract had a .925 sv %.

Playing behind Hamilton Hiller with a career sv % of 9.17 never lower than .910 in 8 season had a sv % of .879

Replacing a d-man who is lost in his own zone with a D-man how is spectacular efficient in his own zone will make any goalie happier and better.


If Sutter (or an similar successful defense wins hockey games coach) takes over for the Flames I see him being perpetually (mad/disappointed/frustrated) with Hamilton's defensive zone play.


Look back to the articles on Doughty adapting to Sutter's coaching style.... and Doughty's starting point >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hamilton is now.

I do not think that the Islanders would consider the trade if Hamonic hadn't expressed his desire to play in western Canada.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I've done a lot of thinking on this topic, but I'm not sure I have any better answer than the one's already posted. Here goes:

Head Coach: Luke Richardson.
Best coach outside of the NHL. I've made his case in the other thread.

6th Overall Pick: Pierre-Luc Dubois.
I don't know why, I just think it works out this way. I can somewhat guess as to which player each team ahead of us would take leading up to our spot, and Dubois is likely available.

#1 Goalie: Marc-Andre Fleury.
Pittsburgh has far too many huge contracts at long term to continue carrying Fleury when Murray has proven to be very capable. They are already at the cap next year without even attempting to sign their RFAs, let alone any UFAs. Flames make a trade to acquire him giving up McDonald and Wotherspoon in return.

Roster Trade: Dennis Wideman.
To Coyotes with 25% salary retained in exchange for Brad Richardson. $2 M for 2 more years. Good checking RW with size and decent wheels who can score 10 goals a year and win face-offs if needed. He can also slide into 4th line center if needed. Coyotes get a complimentary offensive d-man in a group that struggled to add offense outside of OEL. Flames get a solid depth RWer who checks some boxes. Win-win.

Buyout: Mason Raymond and Matt Stajan.
Raymond is an AHLer and thus we shouldn't be paying him to take up a roster spot on the farm club being paid like an NHLer. Buyout saves us $2 million next year, but costs us a million the following year.
Stajan can barely handle 4th line duties these days, and does not give us any physical element whatsoever. Incredibly overpaid at $3+ M for another 2 years and rapidly declining. We have to cut bait now. His buyout saves us over $2 million this year and more than $1 million the following year, but then it costs us $800 K for two years after. I can live with that.

UFA Signing: Kyle Okposo.
4 years at $4.5 million. We get that big mucking RWer to play on the top line with Gaudreau and Monahan. Re-sign Nakladal on a 2 year deal.

RFAs: Re-sign Gaudreau, Monahan, Colborne, and Ortio.

Other: Jankowski and Hathaway make the team out of camp.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the 2016/17 Calgary Flames.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Okposo
Colborne-Bennett-Frolik
Ferland-Backlund-Richardson
Bouma-Jankowski-Hathaway
Bollig

Giordano-Hamilton
Jokipakka-Brodie
Engelland-Nakladal

Fleury
Ortio

Cap hit of $65-68 million if I did everything right.

Okposo at 4.5 x4 ???? Why didn't you sign Hamilton at 3-4M for 6 years? At least less than what Brodie signed for.

While you are negotiating FA contracts why don't you sign Gaudreau to a 6 year deal at 4M . Monahan 6 years at 3M. They are RFA and have to sign with the Flames and Okposo is a UFA.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Hamilton

There it is. Again.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Playing behind Hamonic a journeyman goalie making 1.5M signing a UFA contract had a .925 sv %.

Playing behind Hamilton Hiller with a career sv % of 9.17 never lower than .910 in 8 season had a sv % of .879

Giordano and Brodie actually had a worse on-ice Save Percentage than Hamilton.

Giordano was .889, Brodie was .898, and Hamilton had a .905.

Engelland was the best d-man on the team with a .925 save percentage.

Does that technically make Engelland our best d-man and Giordano our worst d-man based on the goalie save percentage logic?

[Poe969]

Frolik probably screwed it all up somehow!

[Krule]

Since Hamonic has now rescinded his trade request, it's safe to say that any deal will not come to fruition.

[iloveicedhockey]

Great news because I'm completely bored of it, and the associated Hamilton is terrible talk.

[puckedoff]

^ Have to read between the lines Krule. By rescinding his trade request he has just greatly increased his value and now Snow is able to trade him. Expect something done this offseason.

[Krule]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

^ Have to read between the lines Krule. By rescinding his trade request he has just greatly increased his value and now Snow is able to trade him. Expect something done this offseason.

I don't really need to read between the lines. The reason he initially requested the trade was posted by Sureloss in another thread.

Brian Compton @BComptonNHL
Hamonic said a family member with serious health issue has stabilized. Loves being an Islander, wants to win Cup here. #Isles

Sounds to me like he really wants to remain an Islander. And Snow no longer needs to wonder how to fill the huge void that would have been created by any trade involving him. His value really increased during the playoffs and I honestly think it's gone beyond what we could have offered to NYI without critically hampering our own team.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by New Era

6th: Traded along with #54 and #65 for #14, #20, #32 and #44

You have the Flames acquiring picks that are currently held by 4 different teams: #14=Boston; #20=Arizona; #32=Edmonton; and #44=Tampa.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Giordano and Brodie actually had a worse on-ice Save Percentage than Hamilton.

Giordano was .889, Brodie was .898, and Hamilton had a .905.

Engelland was the best d-man on the team with a .925 save percentage.

Does that technically make Engelland our best d-man and Giordano our worst d-man based on the goalie save percentage logic?

Scares the bejeebers out of me with Gio starting his big new contract...... It will be interesting to see how his role changes under a new coach and if he is willing and able to adapt. Hartley took him from a 3/4 D and got him a Norris type of contract a lot based on offensive stats.

where do you find these stats?

Failing that how were Wideman and Russell?

There was another stat that had Brodie with the most TOI in the league against the other teams best players.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Scares the bejeebers out of me with Gio starting his big new contract...... It will be interesting to see how his role changes under a new coach and if he is willing and able to adapt. Hartley took him from a 3/4 D and got him a Norris type of contract a lot based on offensive stats.

where do you find these stats?

Failing that how were Wideman and Russell?

There was another stat that had Brodie with the most TOI in the league against the other teams best players.

War-On-Ice is the website that has all the advanced stats and individual breakdowns of players.

[Demetric]

why does everyone even respond to Ricardo if they think his ideas are way out to lunch? Just dont read his posts, you will live longer and the rest of us wont have to skip pages upon pages of useless bickering, please and thanks.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Demetric

why does everyone even respond to Ricardo if they think his ideas are way out to lunch? Just dont read his posts, you will live longer and the rest of us wont have to skip pages upon pages of useless bickering, please and thanks.

Or he could be banned for trolling and then we wouldn't have his nonsensical ramblings plaguing every thread generating anti-discussion instead of real discussion.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

War-On-Ice is the website that has all the advanced stats and individual breakdowns of players.

So the best regular defensemen for sv% were Engelland, Russell and Wideman followed by Hamilton Brodie and Gio.

The goalie is better with dull defensemen? Who would of thunk it.

For shorthanded the individual SV% rank for the Flames d-men

Russell, Wideman, Gio, Brodie, Engelland, Hamilton.

Having Russell on the ice killing penalties makes (allows) the Goalie stop a higher % of shots.

Wonder if Hartley used this sort of Stats or just saw how poor Hamilton killed penalties and kept him off the ice Short handed as much as he could.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Or he could be banned for trolling and then we wouldn't have his nonsensical ramblings plaguing every thread generating anti-discussion instead of real discussion.

Are OCD, Autism/Asperger's considered trolling?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by icecube

Are OCD, Autism/Asperger's considered trolling?

Good point.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by getbak

You have the Flames acquiring picks that are currently held by 4 different teams: #14=Boston; #20=Arizona; #32=Edmonton; and #44=Tampa.

According to this Boston owns all those picks with the exception of the 44. They moved that to Tampa, so my bad. So you can replace the 44 with the 51. Arizona owns the 7th and the 22nd.

[Jay Random]

Edmonton has the option to give Boston its 2nd this year or next. Boston does not hold #32, and won't unless the Oilers are crazy enough to give that pick away.