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Weitz · 03-30-2016, 09:53 AM

I bet 5 games, maybe 6 to make it 1 playoff game.

On TSN they said he is no longer a repeat offender due to the time in between incidents.

I don't think the NHL has the guts to give him too many playoff games.

Resolute 14 · 03-30-2016, 09:58 AM

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Interesting that the DOPS has already tweeted that Virtanen will have a hearing today for his hit on Polak, nothing regarding Keith as of yet.

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Vancouver's Jake Virtanen will have a hearing today for interference on San Jose's Roman Polak.

If I had a guess, DOPS is probably trying to decide if this should be an in-person or phone hearing.

Virtanen's is pretty easy. Phone call followed by either a fine or a game or two. Keith's incident is going to be more complex given how far out of bounds Keith was.

getbak · 03-30-2016, 10:00 AM

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Interesting that the DOPS has already tweeted that Virtanen will have a hearing today for his hit on Polak, nothing regarding Keith as of yet.

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Vancouver's Jake Virtanen will have a hearing today for interference on San Jose's Roman Polak.

Vancouver plays tomorrow night. Chicago doesn't play again until Friday.

Also, Keith's is likely to be an in-person hearing, so those usually take longer to schedule. They can just say he's suspended indefinitely, pending the hearing.

puffnstuff · 03-30-2016, 10:00 AM

Todays NHL emails would be a good read.

KootenayFlamesFan · 03-30-2016, 10:06 AM

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I think it would be much faster as there isn't as much evidence involved with texts and stuff like that and the intent is also much clearer.

And very doubtful it eats anymore than one playoff game so he probably doesn't appeal.

I agree it would be faster, just curious how much Bettman or others would drag their feet during the process. They certainly were in no hurry to help out Wideman, I'm guessing for a star player like Keith they would move a little quicker.

Resolute 14 · 03-30-2016, 10:30 AM

Or we can just drop the conspiracy theory nonsense and realize that this play is quite a bit different than Wideman's?

KootenayFlamesFan · 03-30-2016, 10:49 AM

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Or we can just drop the conspiracy theory nonsense and realize that this play is quite a bit different than Wideman's?

Conspiracy? Huh?

Bettman all but confirmed that they dragged out Wideman's appeal process so even if it was reduced by the neutral arbitrator he would have sat out close to the 20 games that Bettman wanted.

Just wondered if Keith gets the book thrown at him by the league if Bettman would drag his feet on that one too. That's not a conspiracy, it's an honest question. And it's not 'nonsense'.

northcrunk · 03-30-2016, 11:02 AM

Keith is the worst kind of dirty player. Those cheap shots with the stick show he is a p###y and a rat. He wont even stand up and be accounted for by fighting. He is almost worse than Bieksa.

He should be suspended for the whole first round at least.

Resolute 14 · 03-30-2016, 11:11 AM

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Conspiracy? Huh?

Bettman all but confirmed that they dragged out Wideman's appeal process so even if it was reduced by the neutral arbitrator he would have sat out close to the 20 games that Bettman wanted.

Just wondered if Keith gets the book thrown at him by the league if Bettman would drag his feet on that one too. That's not a conspiracy, it's an honest question. And it's not 'nonsense'.

Yes, conspiracy. Dude, face facts. In terms of supplemental discipline, this is a very simple incident - albeit an egregious one. It does not have the complexities of involving abuse of an official or the issue of concussions or the politics involved with both.

So whatever Keith gets out of this, any appeals process will be inherently easier to adjudicate, and therefore will go faster. More to the point, it is very unlikely - unless the league really does throw the book at Keith - that they will even seriously appeal a suspension.

They aren't the same scenario. So while feeling hard done by over Wideman's suspension is certainly en vogue around here, it really doesn't factor.

Poe969 · 03-30-2016, 11:22 AM

If the league gives Keith 10 games and he appeals and says it wasn't intentional, wouldn't it go to an independent arbitrator? Can't any suspension be appealed? I don't think anyone is really comparing the incidents but how they incidents would be handled.

I'm willing to bet that the league would do everything they could do to have the appeal hearing as soon as possible if it had to be held in the first place because the league will likely give Keith a slap on the wrist and a firm talking to as punishment

Resolute 14 · 03-30-2016, 11:29 AM

Any suspension over five games can be appealed to an independent arbitrator.

Poe969 · 03-30-2016, 11:33 AM

So if he gets 6 games and appeals it, do you think they'd wait until he's served 5 of those games for the hearing or do you think they'd have the hearing ASAP?

With this being a player like Keith and team like the hawks, I'm willing to bet the league would want to do everything in their power to have it asap. But since the league would be the one handing out the original punishment, I doubt it's going to be an issue. IMO the league has their favorites and has to keep them happy.

Dan02 · 03-30-2016, 11:35 AM

Most I see it being is 6, rest of the regular season plus 1 playoff game. More realistically I foresee a 3 game suspension whether that's fair or not.

CroFlames · 03-30-2016, 11:40 AM

If I was in charge, he would get 25 games. Blatantly swinging your stick at an opponents head should carry a huge suspension. Even 41 games doesn't seem like a lot to me for swinging a stick at someones head/face.

KootenayFlamesFan · 03-30-2016, 11:58 AM

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Yes, conspiracy. Dude, face facts. In terms of supplemental discipline, this is a very simple incident - albeit an egregious one. It does not have the complexities of involving abuse of an official or the issue of concussions or the politics involved with both.

So whatever Keith gets out of this, any appeals process will be inherently easier to adjudicate, and therefore will go faster. More to the point, it is very unlikely - unless the league really does throw the book at Keith - that they will even seriously appeal a suspension.

They aren't the same scenario. So while feeling hard done by over Wideman's suspension is certainly en vogue around here, it really doesn't factor.

It will go faster if Bettman wants it to go faster. That's what I'm saying. I don't care about Wideman, so no, my feelings aren't hurt at all thanks. But I do care that the commish of the league can purposefully drag things out on his end if they don't go his way.

As not to derail this thread any further into Wideman territory I'll just say I hope Keith gets the book thrown at him and we get to see how a suspension to a star player plays out.

sureLoss · 03-30-2016, 12:21 PM

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Chicago's Duncan Keith has been offered an in person hearing for high-sticking on Minnesota's Charlie Coyle.

Opens up the possibility for 6 games or more.

CliffFletcher · 03-30-2016, 12:40 PM

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Conspiracy? Huh?

Bettman all but confirmed that they dragged out Wideman's appeal process so even if it was reduced by the neutral arbitrator he would have sat out close to the 20 games that Bettman wanted.

Just wondered if Keith gets the book thrown at him by the league if Bettman would drag his feet on that one too. That's not a conspiracy, it's an honest question. And it's not 'nonsense'.

Since Keith's case does not involve A) a ref, or B) concussions, it's far simpler. It's not likely to set any sort of precedent involving lawsuits and the NHLPA, which is why the Wideman case was so protracted. Not some villainous desire on the part of Gary Bettman to screw over Wideman or the Flames.

Flash Walken · 03-30-2016, 12:42 PM

If only the league had enforcers in the game to deal with things like this.

Poe969 · 03-30-2016, 12:49 PM

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Since Keith's case does not involve A) a ref, or B) concussions, it's far simpler. It's not likely to set any sort of precedent involving lawsuits and the NHLPA, which is why the Wideman case was so protracted. Not some villainous desire on the part of Gary Bettman to screw over Wideman or the Flames.

You're making it sound too simple. If the only time something was questionable was when either a ref or a concussion were involved, there would be a set of suspensions for set infractions. I have a feeling that Keith will say that there was no intent and it was an accident and he should have only got a penalty and not suspension.

Hockeyguy15 · 03-30-2016, 12:55 PM

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You're making it sound too simple. If the only time something was questionable was when either a ref or a concussion were involved, there would be a set of suspensions for set infractions. I have a feeling that Keith will say that there was no intent and it was an accident and he should have only got a penalty and not suspension.

It will be pretty hard for him to argue that. He looked right at Coyle, when he hit him.

And just for fun since it was such a big deal with Wideman, at no point did Keith look back at Coyle after he did it. If he didn't mean to do it why not turn around and look concerned he just hit the guy?