[News] Mason Raymond and Brandon Prust on waivers.

[Mccree]

Originally Posted by FurnaceFace

More importantly...how will this play out on Real Housewives of the NHL? How much will Prust's wife cry?

Came in looking for this reference, leaving satisfied

[BigTuna]

I was correct about Mason Raymond.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by Mccree

Came in looking for this reference, leaving satisfied

She is going to need some 'Anger Management' I think.

[Strange Brew]

If my memory serves me correctly BT had made 5 UFA signings since being GM:

2014: Raymond, Engelland, Hiller
2015: Ramo, Frolik

Forgetting any?

Two of them have been on waivers (Raymond, Ramo) and no in the league was interested in taking them.
One could be put on waivers right now (Hiller) and no one would take them.
One could arguably be put on waivers right now (Engelland) and go unclaimed. I know some people see it differently but IMO his usefulness is outweighed by his horrid contract.
One (Frolik) looks pretty good right now.

Not a great batting average but as some have pointed out elsewhere, no crippling mistakes. Still I have heard Burke say more than once that most GM's make their biggest mistakes on July 1. Makes me wonder what he thought of these signings and his amount of influence.

In any case given the teams current cap situation and their poor position in the standings, mistakes like these will be magnified next year.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

He's been horrible. What does he do well? Nothing. What does he fail to do? Retain possession, win board battles, score easy goals that he is set up for, win net front battles, make nice setups, etc. He's been deadweight on the roster all year, dragging down his line.

Hard to imagine any team thinking he'd be useful depth if they've scouted him at all.

His possession stats are actually in the upper half of the team if I read them right (and I might not, because I'm no authority). his last few outings I have thought he was actually one of the more effective fore-checkers, skaters and and passers. Objectively, IMO he was better than guys like Jooris, Granlund and Colborne over that stretch (excepting Colborne's two-game outburst).

But I think people see what they want to see and their minds have been made up about his game for a long time. So mistakes are magnified and good play shrugged off.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

If my memory serves me correctly BT had made 5 UFA signings since being GM:

2014: Raymond, Engelland, Hiller
2015: Ramo, Frolik

Forgetting any?

Two of them have been on waivers (Raymond, Ramo) and no in the league was interested in taking them.
One could be put on waivers right now (Hiller) and no one would take them.
One could arguably be put on waivers right now (Engelland) and go unclaimed. I know some people see it differently but IMO his usefulness is outweighed by his horrid contract.
One (Frolik) looks pretty good right now.

Not a great batting average but as some have pointed out elsewhere, no crippling mistakes. Still I have heard Burke say more than once that most GM's make their biggest mistakes on July 1. Makes me wonder what he thought of these signings and his amount of influence.

In any case given the teams current cap situation and their poor position in the standings, mistakes like these will be magnified next year.

You forgot Setoguchi (which was practically no-risk). Hiller's signing looked good for much of last year, and Engelland's looked good after Gio went down.

All of those deals were market price, IIRC. Raymond and Engelland had other offers at the time. Hindsight is always 20-20.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

If my memory serves me correctly BT had made 5 UFA signings since being GM:

2014: Raymond, Engelland, Hiller
2015: Ramo, Frolik

Forgetting any?

Two of them have been on waivers (Raymond, Ramo) and no in the league was interested in taking them.
One could be put on waivers right now (Hiller) and no one would take them.
One could arguably be put on waivers right now (Engelland) and go unclaimed. I know some people see it differently but IMO his usefulness is outweighed by his horrid contract.
One (Frolik) looks pretty good right now.

Not a great batting average but as some have pointed out elsewhere, no crippling mistakes. Still I have heard Burke say more than once that most GM's make their biggest mistakes on July 1. Makes me wonder what he thought of these signings and his amount of influence.

In any case given the teams current cap situation and their poor position in the standings, mistakes like these will be magnified next year.

Did Feaster make any big mistake on free agency? Overall, the Hudler and Wideman signings were quite good. I can't really think of any really bad ones.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Two of them have been on waivers (Raymond, Ramo) and no in the league was interested in taking them.

Ramo is back and has been playing starter hockey since returning.

One could be put on waivers right now (Hiller) and no one would take them.
One could arguably be put on waivers right now (Engelland) and go unclaimed.

These are your assumptions, not realities.

One (Frolik) looks pretty good right now.

Agreed.

Not a great batting average but as some have pointed out elsewhere, no crippling mistakes. Still I have heard Burke say more than once that most GM's make their biggest mistakes on July 1. Makes me wonder what he thought of these signings and his amount of influence.

In any case given the teams current cap situation and their poor position in the standings, mistakes like these will be magnified next year.

If these are his worst mistakes, I think we can consider ourselves lucky. There is a lot of bad handed out on July 1st. A few slightly overpaid depth players, who have been decent on-ice contributors is not an apocalyptic scenario.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Not sure what you mean by 2018, your own link even says the 2018-2019 season, so . . . 2019?

And I'm not sold on him being ineffective; I think he has value for a small amount of ice time when quick up-ice rushes need to be made. That said, $3 million is way too much for him. I wouldn't buy him out, but I would bank his salary space for Bennett, even if Bennett is due a year after him.

2018. Did you not read where I said you must have the buyout date set wrong? The link does not retain the date I entered. It defaults to buyouts last summer which is wrong, we would be buying him out this summer not next.

He is ineffective. It's been on display the last 1.5 seasons for all to see.

[Brick]

I hope that there's a couple more moves, Granlund and ?, to make room for Grant and Nakladal. It's time to shake things up.

[Phanuthier]

Meh UFA's are always overpaid by the nature of the bidding war. Engelland was brought in for off ice leadership and toughness, since we small and easy to beat up the previous year. I still like the signing.

Hiller was necessary (or some variation of goaltender) cause we would be a gong show without him at the time.

Mason Raymond, I can see why it was made since we had pretty much nothing left with everyone leaving or sold off (except Glencross), who knew Gaudreau would do what he did. I do think it was way too long, should have have gone 2 years instead of 3.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

2018. Did you not read where I said you must have the buyout date set wrong? The link does not retain the date I entered. It defaults to buyouts last summer which is wrong, we would be buying him out this summer not next.

He is ineffective. It's been on display the last 1.5 seasons for all to see.

Fair enough, it does appear to be a 2018 buyout in 2016. That said, I don't think it's the right move; I think we just leave him as a warm body / rotational when needed and let his contract completely run out in 2017 - assuming we don't flip him as a cap dump beforehand.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

She is going to need some 'Anger Management' I think.

Wrong wife... Sheeeeesh.. Gotta know your 'Hockey wives' bro!

[Azhouse]

Ryan Miller is married to the actor. Prust is married to that highly ANNOYING French Canadian chick (or so my wife tells me).

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Wrong wife... Sheeeeesh.. Gotta know your 'Hockey wives' bro!

I'm slipping bro. Need to step my game up.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

If my memory serves me correctly BT had made 5 UFA signings since being GM:

2014: Raymond, Engelland, Hiller
2015: Ramo, Frolik

Forgetting any?

Two of them have been on waivers (Raymond, Ramo) and no in the league was interested in taking them.
One could be put on waivers right now (Hiller) and no one would take them.
One could arguably be put on waivers right now (Engelland) and go unclaimed. I know some people see it differently but IMO his usefulness is outweighed by his horrid contract.
One (Frolik) looks pretty good right now.

Not a great batting average but as some have pointed out elsewhere, no crippling mistakes. Still I have heard Burke say more than once that most GM's make their biggest mistakes on July 1. Makes me wonder what he thought of these signings and his amount of influence.

In any case given the teams current cap situation and their poor position in the standings, mistakes like these will be magnified next year.

To be fair to Brad, at the time of the signings, we were expecting Flames to be in the basement for the next 3-4 years, all the while slowly building back to contention. No one could have predicted last year's success, and so Treliving was more signing guys to fill out an NHL roster. His biggest non-mistake? Making sure he didn't sign anyone long term. Raymond's is a little long in hindsight, but even his contract was a reasonable 3 year length. No crazy 5 year deals like what Feaster was handing out.

[smiggy77]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

To be fair to Brad, at the time of the signings, we were expecting Flames to be in the basement for the next 3-4 years, all the while slowly building back to contention. No one could have predicted last year's success, and so Treliving was more signing guys to fill out an NHL roster. His biggest non-mistake? Making sure he didn't sign anyone long term. Raymond's is a little long in hindsight, but even his contract was a reasonable 3 year length. No crazy 5 year deals like what Feaster was handing out.

I agree. I think almost every decision by Treliving has been awesome at the time. You can't really evaluate a lot in hindsight because we're dealing with player assets. You can only base a decision on the player at that time and their potential impact on the organization.

It's like blaming the Sens GM for drafting Daigle.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

I was correct about Mason Raymond.

Lots of people were. I wasn't happy when the Flames signed him either, it's not something to brag about though, it was pretty dicey from the get go. It was a a cap floor signing when the GM had no idea Gaudreau would become what he is.

Bottom line is, it doesn't matter. 1 more year for 3.15m literally doesn't matter at all at this point. Everyone has a Raymond... who cares? Aside from Wideman's NMC, I don't think there's a more annoying debate going on right now as far as bad contracts go on Calgary.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

If my memory serves me correctly BT had made 5 UFA signings since being GM:

2014: Raymond, Engelland, Hiller
2015: Ramo, Frolik

2014: Treliving is a rookie NHL GM. Main fault IMO, under estimated roster, made conservative moves expecting something marketable in 2-3 years, overpaid to get to floor. Our team was completely putrid on paper.

Setoguchi - Needed RW
Engelland - Needed Grit to protect kids, plays RW and D. Multi tool player.
Raymond - Cammellari replacement to play below Glencross.
Hiller - Needed G. Traded Berra previous year, let Joey Mac walk. Needed someone to play with Ramo.

2015: 1 year under his belt. Main fault IMO, misread other GMs. Lost Byron to waivers, ran a goalie circus due to a rumor Hiller trade fell through.

Ramo - Rumor had it Hiller was going out and the trade fell through last moment. Needed G if Hiller was indeed gone.
Frolik - Needed RW. Also, absolute trickery to nab what we needed from the other teams and at a good price.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by New Era

Praise Jesus!!! There is a God!

Yes, somehow Raymond was the cause of all the Flames shortcomings.....this team has a LONG way to go at this point and I'd much rather see actual moves to improve the team being made then another lateral waiver move. I don't see any reason to be even moderately excited by waiving a guy that was barely dressing enough this year to even be included in any discussion regarding the team's poor play.