[News] Upd: Drouin decides to sit out until trade is completed. Lightning suspend him.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Duchesne cap hit is $6m and if you add carle + drouin cap hit is just over $6m. Colorado needs d as well and as has been mentioned MacKinnon - Roy -Qmjhl link. Might be a good fit

That trade is beyond a steal for Tampa. Carle has a brutal contract I don't see how a bad contract and unproven 20 year old would get Tampa a 24 year old signed for $6M long term and on pace for nearly 40 goals

[sureLoss]

Anyone want to boot up NHL 16 and see if this gets accepted?

To Calgary:
Hamonic
Wild's 3rd

To Wild:
Drouin
Russell

To Islanders:
Scandella
Cgy's 3rd

To Lightning:
Hudler (50% retained)
Klimchuk

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dash_pinched

Carolyn Wilke‏@Classlicity19m19 minutes ago
One chart that pretty much sums up the Drouin situation. (fwds with >100min 5v5 but <21 yrs old)

Okay, now let's see a chart showing defensive play

Also, where is Sam Bennett?

Oh and Nail Yakupov, lol.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

So, nothing then?

I guess nothing if you assume they have no interest in any of our prospects, roster players or picks. 2 2nds and backlund isn't a crazy idea at all imo.

I'd be over the moon personally.

I think people are over reacting to Drouins start in the NHL. Maybe he just needs a fresh start, different system, new coach, longer leash.

I'm not saying he hadn't been dissapointing but I watched him play on numerous occasions and I think he is probably one of the most talented 17 year old I've ever watched play.

Things go well and it could be almost like having a 2nd Gaudreau. Things don't go well and you've taken a chance on a top pick with tons and tons of upside, who needs to learn the NHL game.

I think the only problem isn't really what we'd send back. It's more to do with team needs, size physicality etc. You can only have so many small players.

With Hudler and likely Russell moving out it wouldn't be too bad though.

Anyway I think it's worth the chance if the price is excluding a 1st and any core players. I think we have the pieces to get a deal done, it a matter of taking a cap dump and tamp as interest in our package as opposed to the other 15 offers they get.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

Honestly I'd give Tampa whatever they want outside of a 1st and any core players.

29 other teams would be lining up to offer the same. How do you differentiate your offer from all the others?

I think the statement that Yzerman would want to trade him to the West is a valid one, so we could start there.

Leaves us with 14 suitors.

The initial appeal of the deal is Drouin is on an ELC (900K). Tampa can't afford to take on much salary, they're currently 2.1M from the cap, meaning anything they took back in return couldn't exceed 3M. I'd also doubt that Tampa would want to be that tight to the cap, so you have to assume that they are either taking a prospect of similar value back in return, draft picks, or moving out one of their more bloated contracts in the process to allow a roster player from another team to make the deal possible.

So, assuming they want a roster player, which contract would they want to move out? Looking at Mattias Ohlund, he hasn't played since 2011. His 3.6M per year contract on IR finally expires next season. Maybe taking on the last year and a half of that anchor is something a team could offer to sweeten the pot?

Ben Bishop makes 6M a year until the end of next season. Braydon Coburn (UFA) is making 4.5M. But I'm not convinced Tampa wants to lose either of them right before they make another push for the Cup this year.

Having said all that, most of the 13 other teams in the West can use the same line of thinking, so at the end of the day, your offer still needs to be stronger than theirs.

So, theoretically, what if Calgary were to offer the following...

Jiri Hudler (UFA, 4M @ 50% salary retained)
Morgan Klimchuk (860K)
Emile Poirier (860K)
2016 2nd round pick

for

Jonathan Drouin (900K)
Mattias Ohlund (3.6M)

Would that be enough? Would that beat whatever the other Western teams would offer? The numbers would certainly work for both teams current cap structures.

Tampa takes on 3.72M, while clearing 4.5M, a net gain for them, providing additional cap space. They get a roster player for this season's run, two former 1st round prospects and an additional draft selection in this year's entry draft.

Calgary takes on a bad contract and gets a former 1st round prospect. Important to note that all of these prospects have struggled to stick on an NHL roster, but Drouin would certainly have the highest potential ceiling.

Alright, begin the assault on the horribleness of my proposal.

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Okay, now let's see a chart showing defensive play

Also, where is Sam Bennett?

Oh and Nail Yakupov, lol.

lol - I just find the charts, I don't produce them.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dash_pinched

lol - I just find the charts, I don't produce them.

Yes, those questions were directed at the creator of the chart, not the messenger

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Samiz

Something about a 20 year old requesting a trade that raises a red flag for me. We can say he was mismanaged but there's so much behind the scenes stuff that we don't see and know nothing about.

I agree to an extent but Turris got similar flack and that trade really paid off for Ottawa. Drouin was also a much higher touted prospect so who knows what his ceiling could be if a change of scenery was all he needed. I am a bit skeptical on Drouin but I was with Turris as well so if the price is similar I think it might be worth the gamble.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by dash_pinched

Carolyn Wilke‏@Classlicity19m19 minutes ago
One chart that pretty much sums up the Drouin situation. (fwds with >100min 5v5 but <21 yrs old)

Points/60 can be just a terrible stat. Colborne through most of the season had a higher p/60 than Ovechkin on even strength. When did he drop below Ovechkin? When he started playing on the top line for more minutes.

If you're on the third or fourth line and seeing the second or third pairing, it's not going to be as difficult as putting up the same points playing against those shutdown defenders. Especially, in the case of Drouin, when you're getting to start 60% of your shifts in the offensive zone often times with Stamkos as your center (if you aren't going against weaker defenders). And let's not overlook that in the case of Drouin, we're looking at a sample size of about 30 points.

Drouin certainly believes he's been misused, as do some Tampa fans, and maybe he has been. But that graph doesn't prove much of anything.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

29 other teams would be lining up to offer the same. How do you differentiate your offer from all the others?

I think the statement that Yzerman would want to trade him to the West is a valid one, so we could start there.

Leaves us with 14 suitors.

The initial appeal of the deal is Drouin is on an ELC (900K). Tampa can't afford to take on much salary, they're currently 2.1M from the cap, meaning anything they took back in return couldn't exceed 3M. I'd also doubt that Tampa would want to be that tight to the cap, so you have to assume that they are either taking a prospect of similar value back in return, draft picks, or moving out one of their more bloated contracts in the process to allow a roster player from another team to make the deal possible.

So, assuming they want a roster player, which contract would they want to move out? Looking at Mattias Ohlund, he hasn't played since 2011. His 3.6M per year contract on IR finally expires next season. Maybe taking on the last year and a half of that anchor is something a team could offer to sweeten the pot?

Ben Bishop makes 6M a year until the end of next season. Braydon Coburn (UFA) is making 4.5M. But I'm not convinced Tampa wants to lose either of them right before they make another push for the Cup this year.

Having said all that, most of the 13 other teams in the West can use the same line of thinking, so at the end of the day, your offer still needs to be stronger than theirs.

So, theoretically, what if Calgary were to offer the following...

Jiri Hudler (UFA, 4M @ 50% salary retained)
Morgan Klimchuk (860K)
Emile Poirier (860K)
2016 2nd round pick

for

Jonathan Drouin (900K)
Mattias Ohlund (3.6M)

Would that be enough? Would that beat whatever the other Western teams would offer? The numbers would certainly work for both teams current cap structures.

Tampa takes on 3.72M, while clearing 4.5M, a net gain for them, providing additional cap space. They get a roster player for this season's run, two former 1st round prospects and an additional draft selection in this year's entry draft.

Calgary takes on a bad contract and gets a former 1st round prospect. Important to note that all of these prospects have struggled to stick on an NHL roster, but Drouin would certainly have the highest potential ceiling.

Alright, begin the assault on the horribleness of my proposal.

what about Granlund?

Let me rephrase that:

What about including Granlund in the proposal in place of Poirier and the pick? It would move Bennett back to center and open up a place on the LW for Drouin

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

So, nothing then?

I don't think Tampa is gonna get anywhere near his potential value. The Turris and Nino trades are probably a bit on the low side but anything involving any of our big 4 roster players is even less likely. A high 1st round pick seems like a stretch as well. If a 1st is included I think its mid to late. Prospects included are not gonna be blue chip. I'd be fine trading Granlund, Jankowski, Poirier, or Klimchuk. Packaging a roster player like Hudler or Russell. Using picks 2nd round and down. Some combination of those things doesn't seem too far fetched its just a matter of if another team puts a package together of similar value that is more enticing.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

what about Granlund?

Let me rephrase that:

What about including Granlund in the proposal in place of Poirier and the pick? It would move Bennett back to center and open up a place on the LW for Drouin

Well, the LW spot would arguably already being opened by including Hudler. I suggested Poirier and Kilmchuk rather than Granlund, because they are under contract until the end of the 2017/2018 season and Granlund is an RFA at the end of this season. From a Tampa cost management perspective, it made more sense to include them.

[SportsJunky]

Drouin won the fastest skater competion at last year's all-star game, right? It would be nice to have another highly skilled burner around here.

Just sayin'.

[skudr248]

YES to Drouin. Get him Brad

[Enoch Root]

I am all for the Flames making another big trade to get that next piece that the team needs.

And I would have no problem trading the 1st, as well as 2 or 3 of our prospects, and other assets like Hudler and Backlund.

It just doesn't make sense to me to spend our chips on a guy like Drouin. The last thing we need is a small LW. We need a 1st line RW, a goalie, and a 3/4 D-man.

Let's spend our chips on those things.

[dammage79]

8 points in 19 gp. What's he getting in TB for ice time anyways? 3rd line minutes?

While the allure of Drouin is tenable, is there really a fit for him in CGY? Do we need another small-ish or below average sized playmaker? I feel like the most practical targets for CGY would be goaltending and shooters with size. Juho Lammiko types, or natural RW types like Rattie if they were to go with a smaller fw.

Ah, who am I kidding, I'd love to see Drouin get a shot in a Flames jersey. The kid has insane playmaking skills. I kind of relate him a bit to Tanguay that way.

[sureLoss]

Apparently the Lightning have given Drouin until Tuesday "to gather his things" before he has to report to the Crunch.

Doesn't sound like they plan on having him back in Tampa.

[hockey.modern]

So do the flames build with duos and hope we can find a big sniping RW for both lines? That would be ideal if we can find that X person.

Gaudreau-Monahan-X
Drouin-Bennett-X

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I am all for the Flames making another big trade to get that next piece that the team needs.

And I would have no problem trading the 1st, as well as 2 or 3 of our prospects, and other assets like Hudler and Backlund.

It just doesn't make sense to me to spend our chips on a guy like Drouin. The last thing we need is a small LW. We need a 1st line RW, a goalie, and a 3/4 D-man.

Let's spend our chips on those things.

I think it's more the fact that his value is down but he's young with crazy talent that intrigues people. At full value I'd agree look elsewhere but if you can "steal" him then it's definitely worth looking at.

[dammage79]

Makes me wonder how fast they want him moved out now. Does he even play a game for the organization moving forward. Looks pretty mutual right now.