View Poll Results: What should we do with Hudler
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Resign him
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Trade him
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Let him walk
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12-22-2015, 04:31 PM
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#81
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Franchise Player
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RW David Jones is a UFA as well next year.
Jones has 7 goals and 12 pts NOT playing a lot with Monahan and Gaudreau
Hudler has 5 goals and 18 pts.....
I would have to guess that he has a lot of assists that he did little to earn by moving the puck to Monahan and/or Gaudreau (24 goals).
Jones does not get a whole lot of easy pts by the offensive wizardry of of his linemates, Stajan and Colbourne (total of 5 goals).
Sign Hudler to a 2 yr 3M yr deal or Jones to a 2x2?
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12-22-2015, 04:41 PM
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#82
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardodw
RW David Jones is a UFA as well next year.
Jones has 7 goals and 12 pts NOT playing a lot with Monahan and Gaudreau
Hudler has 5 goals and 18 pts.....
I would have to guess that he has a lot of assists that he did little to earn by moving the puck to Monahan and/or Gaudreau (24 goals).
Jones does not get a whole lot of easy pts by the offensive wizardry of of his linemates, Stajan and Colbourne (total of 5 goals).
Sign Hudler to a 2 yr 3M yr deal or Jones to a 2x2?
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Jones has actually played quite a bit with them
http://leftwinglock.com/line-combina...EV&gametype=10
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Last edited by Split98; 12-22-2015 at 05:12 PM.
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12-22-2015, 04:57 PM
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#83
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Franchise Player
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Hudler is going to be on the decline before the Flames are competitive.
He is small and soft, and they need to get bigger. And Gaudreau isn't going anywhere.
As a UFA, he will cost more than he is worth (nature of UFAs)
They can get a decent package for him at the deadline.
Does it leave a gaping hole at RW? Absolutely. But the Flames are going to have to deal with that regardless. Sooner is better than later IMO.
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12-22-2015, 04:59 PM
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#84
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardodw
I would have to guess that he has a lot of assists that he did little to earn by moving the puck to Monahan and/or Gaudreau (24 goals).
Jones does not get a whole lot of easy pts by the offensive wizardry of of his linemates, Stajan and Colbourne (total of 5 goals).
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Apparently you missed the memo. The top two lines for a while now have been Gaudreau-Monahan-Jones and Bennett-Granlund-Hudler. The second line has had various players on it for a while now, but Hudler has been pretty much a fixture.
According to the link supplied by Split98 above, in the last 10 games, Hudler has spent almost twice as much time with Bennett & Granlund as he has with Gaudreau & Monahan. Jones has had two and a half times as much ice time with Gaudreau & Monahan as Hudler has had.
For the season as a whole, Hudler has spent more time with Gaudreau and Monahan than any other forwards, but much of that came in October when the entire team was ineffective.
So your guess would be incorrect. This comes as no surprise.
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12-22-2015, 05:32 PM
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#85
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Fort St. John, BC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardodw
RW David Jones is a UFA as well next year.
Jones has 7 goals and 12 pts NOT playing a lot with Monahan and Gaudreau
Hudler has 5 goals and 18 pts.....
I would have to guess that he has a lot of assists that he did little to earn by moving the puck to Monahan and/or Gaudreau (24 goals).
Jones does not get a whole lot of easy pts by the offensive wizardry of of his linemates, Stajan and Colbourne (total of 5 goals).
Sign Hudler to a 2 yr 3M yr deal or Jones to a 2x2?
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Do you even watch the games?
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12-22-2015, 05:33 PM
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#86
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Section 120
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If the Flames are comfortable in a playoff position by the deadline, they should keep him. If they're on the bubble, trade him if it's an attractive offer. If they're out of the playoffs, trade him. If the Flames have him in the off-season, try to re-sign him for nothing more than $3.5/4 X 3.
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12-22-2015, 05:38 PM
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#87
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Franchise Player
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Jones is a more viable alternative at RW going forward than Hudler. He's bigger, faster, and will be substantially cheaper. And there are centers on the roster, or in the system, who can move to right side. No reason to sink a contract into an aging, small winger in decline. Trade him for picks and continue the rebuild.
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12-22-2015, 05:46 PM
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#88
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Paradise
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If Hudler continues on his 50 point pace then anything with a 4 in front of it is too much. We need to look for an upgrade on the top line. Frolik makes a 50 pt Hudler expendable.
If he re-signs for around 3.5 for 2 years by the deadline then i would sign him. If hes not signed by the deadline try to get a few picks. If he wants longer term then dollars go down.
Cant see him wanting to sign for that but as we saw this summer guys like huds (old and on the decline) arent getting what they expected.
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12-22-2015, 06:09 PM
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#89
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Franchise Player
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The Flames need to get better. The team today is not good enough. Even Hudler on a cheap deal does not make them better. I hope the guy goes on a tear and can be moved for high quality picks at the deadline.
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12-22-2015, 06:21 PM
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#90
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Montreal
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Jones is not a viable 1st line winger..full stop.
Hudler will command 5 million X 3 yrs at an absolute minimum, regardless of his poor season....
I can see that we might not re-sign him, but we really need someone of his caliber as a replacement..
Too bad Poirier doesn't seem to be progressing as we had hoped...he certainly doesn't look like he'll ever be a 1st liner (not giving up on him by any means, but he doesn't look like he projects to be a top liner anymore , if he ever did)
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12-22-2015, 06:39 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
Again, you can move salary out if the Flames can't get it done after they re-up the kids. Backlund can be moved, Granlund does the same job but better. He might want to take advantage but we all know the market will be stingy with the cap being what it is. He might even get less than that on the market or have to go to a non contending team like Arizona. It also depends on how bad he wants to stay. The bottom line and the question most important to be answered is if you move Hudler who replaces him on RW?
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Personally I'd like to see an extension done before the trade deadline because I wouldn't want to risk losing him for nothing and if an extension isn't done this year I'm skeptical it gets done in the off season. I don't think replacing Hudler is an absolute must. Eventually of course but this team is still early in its rebuild so I don't see any immediate rush.
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12-22-2015, 06:45 PM
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#92
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Paradise
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Originally Posted by Strange Brew
The Flames need to get better. The team today is not good enough. Even Hudler on a cheap deal does not make them better. I hope the guy goes on a tear and can be moved for high quality picks at the deadline.
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Yup if he goes on a tear thats perfect for his trade value. But if he doesnt and you can take advantage and get him for cheap/short term that doesnt mean you have to stop looking for a top line rw. it just gives you depth and there's a chance he returns to last years form.
It almost makes more sense to try and keep him if his value is don and you can get a bargain. If you cant then trade him at the deadline.
Either way i cant see him signing for cheap/short term and i voted to trade him.
Last edited by Samonadreau; 12-22-2015 at 06:56 PM.
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12-22-2015, 06:46 PM
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#93
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Sadly not in the Dome.
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Because of age, size, speed and cost I say pass. I wasn't overly happy with re-upping Giordano and I will be even more disappointed if we do something similar with Hudler. He's not going to put this team over the top by being here nor hold it back by leaving. Time to cut ties.
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12-22-2015, 08:00 PM
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#94
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by Galakanokis
Because of age, size, speed and cost I say pass. I wasn't overly happy with re-upping Giordano and I will be even more disappointed if we do something similar with Hudler. He's not going to put this team over the top by being here nor hold it back by leaving. Time to cut ties.
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His age is not bad, he has plenty of speed, and you don't know what the cost will be. Again, you want to cut ties, who takes his spot on RW?
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12-22-2015, 08:49 PM
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#95
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
His age is not bad, he has plenty of speed, and you don't know what the cost will be. Again, you want to cut ties, who takes his spot on RW?
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It doesn't matter. The Flames won't contend with or without him on the team.
Take advantage of your old assets now and build a team to compete on 2-3 years for the next 10, rather than hand him a contract for past performance.
Get a pick, prospect, or young roster player and work from that position up.
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12-22-2015, 08:49 PM
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#96
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Sadly not in the Dome.
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
His age is not bad, he has plenty of speed, and you don't know what the cost will be. Again, you want to cut ties, who takes his spot on RW?
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I'm looking a few years down the road and Hudler doesn't factor in. If he wants more than he makes now than bye bye. Next man up, continue to draft and develop. We're a rebuilding team not a contender. Ageing, slowing, declining assets need to be turned over.
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12-23-2015, 12:11 PM
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#97
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Menace
Jones is not a viable 1st line winger..full stop.
Hudler will command 5 million X 3 yrs at an absolute minimum, regardless of his poor season....
I can see that we might not re-sign him, but we really need someone of his caliber as a replacement..
Too bad Poirier doesn't seem to be progressing as we had hoped...he certainly doesn't look like he'll ever be a 1st liner (not giving up on him by any means, but he doesn't look like he projects to be a top liner anymore , if he ever did)
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Jones may not be the guy but you don't need everyone on the top line to be an elite player. They just have to be a good fit. Sergio Momesso was just fine with Hull and Oates. Dustin Penner was an average at best player but fit well with Getzlaf and Perry.
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12-23-2015, 12:22 PM
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#98
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Could Care Less
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Just throwing it out there, Hudler had the 2nd most ice time among fwds last night and though he only got 1 assist, back on the top line he looked much like his old self. That being the Hudler from last year.
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12-23-2015, 12:33 PM
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#99
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by heep223
Just throwing it out there, Hudler had the 2nd most ice time among fwds last night and though he only got 1 assist, back on the top line he looked much like his old self. That being the Hudler from last year.
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I also thought he was much more visible the previous game. He's not as well matched with Bennett who is a shooter like Hudler, and Backlund, who also prefers to shoot.
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12-23-2015, 12:36 PM
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#100
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
The Flames need to get better. The team today is not good enough. Even Hudler on a cheap deal does not make them better. I hope the guy goes on a tear and can be moved for high quality picks at the deadline.
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Don't necessarily disagree that Hudler should be traded but moving him for picks does not address the Flames needing to get better.
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