What will Gaudreau's next contract be?

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Conroy4Mayor

Because they'd get bigger contracts in one year than they'd get this summer. Simple math. Treliving would be up front about it. No hard feelings.

So Treliving as the GM will give them more money in a year just because he can? He'd be a crappy GM if he was upfront and said that. And lots can happen from here to next season regarding cap space. Bridge contracts are pretty much dead especially when it comes to elite players.

[YYC in LAX]

$7M

Hoping for slightly under at full term

[Conroy4Mayor]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

So Treliving as the GM will give them more money in a year just because he can? He'd be a crappy GM if he was upfront and said that. And lots can happen from here to next season regarding cap space. Bridge contracts are pretty much dead especially when it comes to elite players.

Exactly, he'll give them less next year, and more after that. I think that'd be a good thing for all involved. The Flames will need a decent goalie next year. Plus the top line needs a decent right winger to replace Hudler and/or Jones. Johnny and Sean know these things too. They will want the team to be competitive next year, and they will understand that their bridge deals will allow that.

P.S. Good GM's manage their cap space. Good GM's look at all options at their disposal, including bridge deals.

[IgiTang]

How is JG not a star of the week?

Outside of Kane, Gaudreau has been the player of the month no?

Don't want to derail, but don't wanna start a new thread for this.

[Buff]

Johnny is doing great but he is also in a bit of a hot streak right now. I wonder how many people are guessing higher just because he is hot at the moment.

I'd like to see the same pole put up in late January or February if he isn't on a hot streak at that time.

He is going to be paid handsomely though. I was always thinking that Johnny and Monny will get identical contracts but now I'm wondering if Johnny gets a bit more per year but not much more than $250,000 per.

[SuperMatt18]

$54 million over 8 years.

[The Yen Man]

I still think he's only going to be interested in signing for 6 years. That leaves him hitting UFA at 28, which is when he's probably at his peak and when he can really cash in on his next contract. Signing for 8 years means he's UFA at 30 and off his peak. He could potentially mess up his next contract.

[CroFlames]

Most people argue that a player's peak is much sooner than 28. Between 24 and 26, or even sooner.

The difference with superstars is that their peaks last longer. Johnny will likely have a long peak period in his career given how smart he is on the ice.

[SebC]

Gaudreau is restricted, so if I were making the poll, the brackets would be the RFA compensation brackets. If you were another team, what offer sheet would you make? That's his market value and that should set his salary.

Average annual value - Compensation

< $1,205,377 - Nothing
$1,205,377-to-$1,826,328 - Third-round pick
$1,826,328-to-$3,652,659 - Second-round pick
$3,652,659 to $5,478,986 - First and third-round picks
$5,478,986 to $7,305,316 - First, second and third-round picks
$7,305,316 to $9,131,645 - Two firsts, a second and third-round picks
> $9,131,645 - Four first-round picks

Would you give up a first, second and third to pay him $7.3M? If not, then we shouldn't be signing up for that either.

I don't know where he fits into this table, but that's how RFA value should be assessed.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by SebC

Gaudreau is restricted, so if I were making the poll, the brackets would be the RFA compensation brackets. If you were another team, what offer sheet would you make? That's his market value and that should set his salary.

Average annual value - Compensation

< $1,205,377 - Nothing
$1,205,377-to-$1,826,328 - Third-round pick
$1,826,328-to-$3,652,659 - Second-round pick
$3,652,659 to $5,478,986 - First and third-round picks
$5,478,986 to $7,305,316 - First, second and third-round picks
$7,305,316 to $9,131,645 - Two firsts, a second and third-round picks
> $9,131,645 - Four first-round picks

Would you give up a first, second and third to pay him $7.3M? If not, then we shouldn't be signing up for that either.

I don't know where he fits into this table, but that's how RFA value should be assessed.

Except he isn't eligible to sign an offer sheet.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Except he isn't eligible to sign an offer sheet.

I guess that's his value for his offer-sheet eligible years then if signed long term. Or does his offer-sheet value become his arbitration value, and thus it's still valid?

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Buff

Johnny is doing great but he is also in a bit of a hot streak right now. I wonder how many people are guessing higher just because he is hot at the moment.

I'd like to see the same pole put up in late January or February if he isn't on a hot streak at that time.

He is going to be paid handsomely though. I was always thinking that Johnny and Monny will get identical contracts but now I'm wondering if Johnny gets a bit more per year but not much more than $250,000 per.

Hot streak or not it's hard not to notice he's usually the most exciting player on the ice every game.

[Huntingwhale]

Who is is agent, and is he an arsehole? Johnny seems like the kind of player who is grateful to be playing in the NHL and wouldn't mind taking less then his worth in order to play for a winner. He doesn't seem like a ''me-first'' guy and has a decent head on his shoulders. Obviously you want to give him a fair deal, but I don't see him asking for the Brinks' truck. And with the Canadian dollar the way it is now, even a 6mil cap hit in USD is 8.24 Canadian. That's some decent coin. He's going to be having endorsements leaking out his ears so I don't imagine money being a major concern for him.

I'm sure the NHLPA and agent's around the world don't share my perspective and obviously want their client to be paid the max they can get. But I have a feeling Gaudreau's contract will be more then fair and we'll all be pleasantly surprised.

I'm not too worried with Treliving at the table.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Except he isn't eligible to sign an offer sheet.

I apologize if you or someone has already explained this, but why? What about Monahan?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by heep223

I apologize if you or someone has already explained this, but why? What about Monahan?

It's because he burned the first year of his contract but only played one game during that year.

The CBA is written so that a typical player's ELC runs out the same time he becomes a Group 2 RFA (who is eligible to receive offer sheets). For players who are 21 or younger when they sign their ELCs, their ELC is 3 years long and they can become a Group 2 RFA after 3 years of professional experience. For players who are 22 or 23, it's 2 years for both; and for players who are 24 or older, it's one year.

However, you have to play 10 pro games in a season for it to count as a year of experience. For Gaudreau, his 3 year ELC expires at the end of this season, but he won't have 3 years of experience until the end of next season.


Monahan's contract and years of experience match up, so he can receive an offer sheet this summer.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I still think he's only going to be interested in signing for 6 years. That leaves him hitting UFA at 28, which is when he's probably at his peak and when he can really cash in on his next contract. Signing for 8 years means he's UFA at 30 and off his peak. He could potentially mess up his next contract.

This kind of brings up an interesting argument on when a player like Gaudreau will peak, and how long his career can last.

He's a lightweight who doesn't engage physically or rely overly on physical attributes (speed, weight, power, etc.) so his body should hold up longer than most other NHL players.

His main attributes (hand speed, vision, smarts) should stay the same or improve with experience, so he could be at his best in his late 20s or early 30s, in theory. That was the case with Marty St. Louis who, admittedly, isn't a perfect comparable (but who is?).

Generally I agree though: he'll want his next contract to be negotiated while his age still starts with the number 2.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by getbak

It's because he burned the first year of his contract but only played one game during that year.



The CBA is written so that a player's ELC runs out the same time he becomes an RFA who can receive offer sheets. For players who are 21 or younger when they sign their ELCs, that's a 3 year ELC and they become offer sheet eligible after 3 years.



However, you have to play 10 pro games in a season for it to count as a year of experience. For Gaudreau, his 3 year ELC expires at the end of this season, but he won't have 3 years of experience until the end of next season.





Monahan's contract and years of experience match up, so he can receive an offer sheet this summer.

Where is that thanks button? Thanks!

[PepsiFree]

FWIW the Power Play guys on NHL radio were talking about Johnny. Mentioned him overtaking Tarasenko and Kane as the most exciting player in the league. Comparisons (in playing style) to Kane, Datsyuk, and even Gretzky. Mentioned the things we all know, including how he just seems to create space out of nothing and that guys are afraid to check him because he embarrasses them so often. "Johnny is must-watch hockey."

Don't really have a point, other than he's getting a lot of recognition outside of Calgary as not just a premiere Flame, but a premiere NHL forward.

He is going to get paid big time and he's going to deserve every penny of it. 7-8 over 8.

[Vinny01]

I just really hope we get Johnny for the full 8 years. I worry that he eventually head east and want to play closer to home. Getting him for the full 8 until he is 30 would be ideal

[sureLoss]

Being reported that Trouba is asking for 8x7+ to give a rough idea of what someone coming of an ELC is asking for.

Obviously initial ask is going to be high.