Getting speared in the nuts hurts. A lot. Is it worse though than the 20 slashes on the hands above the gloves every game that Johnny gets? Is it worse than a cross check? Boarding?
It's a penalty no doubt. A suspension? No fricken way unless we suspend an awful lot more things. Because it's in the mommy daddy button doesn't make it more suspendable.
Classless? Yes. Suspendable? No, a fine is more than enough
After the dirty crap he pulled on Gaudreau he deserves it. Prust is also a moron and a plug. He should be selling popcorn in the AHL or speding his time shooting "hockey wives" episodes and just learn to be a good "hockey husband"
Who has been killed by a crosscheck? Who has been killed by a broken wrist? Names, dates, details, or retract.
Meanwhile – yes, you can indeed die from ‘a poke in the nuts’, though it occurs quite rarely. (Citation provided in the very post you were so dismissively and flippantly replying to.) You can also suffer permanent injuries. And you can suffer injuries that will remove you from a hockey team's active roster for an extended period. You may not have noticed, but the genitalia are surrounded by bones, muscles, tendons, and all sorts of other nifty tissues that have to be in working order if you plan on doing any skating. Attacking someone in the region of the groin, believe it or not, is a pretty effective way of giving him a groin injury. Perhaps you've heard of groin injuries. Or perhaps you'd rather go on trying to laugh this off.
Just ask Mike Bullard how he feels:
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Shot to groin is a pure cheap shot no matter how hated the person receiving it is.
#### Prust.
100% agree. And yet... #### Marchand, also.
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Being a Canuck for only a quarter of the season can turn anyone into a d- bag. You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain
In fairness to the Canucks, Prust had already turned into a rat himself while he was a Hab. Vancouver didn't have to train him in anything.
Who has been killed by a crosscheck? Who has been killed by a broken wrist? Names, dates, details, or retract.
Meanwhile – yes, you can indeed die from ‘a poke in the nuts’, though it occurs quite rarely. (Citation provided in the very post you were so dismissively and flippantly replying to.) You can also suffer permanent injuries. And you can suffer injuries that will remove you from a hockey team's active roster for an extended period. You may not have noticed, but the genitalia are surrounded by bones, muscles, tendons, and all sorts of other nifty tissues that have to be in working order if you plan on doing any skating. Attacking someone in the region of the groin, believe it or not, is a pretty effective way of giving him a groin injury. Perhaps you've heard of groin injuries. Or perhaps you'd rather go on trying to laugh this off.
FFS. Are you seriously suggesting Prust put Marchand's life in danger? My god you're reaching here.
Pokes in the nuts are classless, and I'll repeat, NOT GOING TO KILL ANYBODY. Seriously. They're not putting anyone's life in danger.
A crosscheck or broken wrist have a far, far, far greater likelihood of ending sometimes career than a fricken nut shot.
Classless? Yup. Inexcusable? Yup. Juvenile? Yup.
Dangerous? Come on now.
Show me a hockey player that missed time from a poke in the nuts from a hockey stick and I'll show you a tonne more who missed time from a broken wrist or crosscheck. Marchand just said he's done it many times and will do it again and had no problem with it.
Honestly here, are you being serious with the groin injury thing here? Death? A serious groin injury?
And you know that I have a pretty good grasp of the human body right?
Ask anyone familiar with medicine which have greater potential for serious injury:
-poke in the nuts
-punch in the face
-slash on the arm
-crosscheck
-push near the boards
-trip
I promise you that poke in the nuts won't be high on that list
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simple fact is if this wasn't done to Marchand, if it was say Krecji or something, most people would be far more outraged.
It's not a hockey play, it's not part of the game. I'm fine with fining him. Should have been the end of it. The commentary after though is what gets me. Should be fined again. Making a joke of the discipline he received. Clearly he didn't learn anything, ie. your punishment wasn't good enough.
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simple fact is if this wasn't done to Marchand, if it was say Krecji or something, most people would be far more outraged.
It's not a hockey play, it's not part of the game. I'm fine with fining him. Should have been the end of it. The commentary after though is what gets me. Should be fined again. Making a joke of the discipline he received. Clearly he didn't learn anything, ie. your punishment wasn't good enough.
I agree, but would say that is should be a game at least. It isn't a mistake hockey play. If you really try hard you can twist a slash into a poorly times tow handed poke check.
In this incident the puck was nowhere near, IIRC. It was done for one reason.
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simple fact is if this wasn't done to Marchand, if it was say Krecji or something, most people would be far more outraged.
It's not a hockey play, it's not part of the game. I'm fine with fining him. Should have been the end of it. The commentary after though is what gets me. Should be fined again. Making a joke of the discipline he received. Clearly he didn't learn anything, ie. your punishment wasn't good enough.
I agree with this. Regardless of what was done, openly defying the credibility of the department should warrant a fine.
For what it's worth, here's Marchand's response:
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"Clearly, it doesn't feel good and it hurts," Marchand said. "Whenever you're upset at someone or you want to take a shot, it's an easy place to target and you know it's going to hurt, so that's why a lot of guys do it."
Added Marchand: "There are a lot of good players that take jabs at guys, so people can say whatever they want. I'm not overly upset about what happened. I've done it, and I'm sure he's done it before and I'm sure it won't be the last. It won't be the last time I do it. It's part of hockey."
Marchand admitted he had said something to Prust earlier in the game that could have sparked the incident. Marchand also said he wouldn't have been upset if Prust wasn't fined for his actions.
"I wouldn't want him to lose that much money over what happened," Marchand said. "I think suspensions are worthy when guys get hurt or if it's a really bad shot, but I've done it before and lots of guys do that all the time. It's part of the game."
But again, are we punishing the action or the result?
If the identical action happens but results in an injury does it warrant greater punishment?
A quick google search resulted in a number of quite recent "speared in the groin" incidents (Stahl on Ovechkin, Czikas on Wilson, Gionta on Borowiecki, and more this year) and not a single injury, fine or suspension and all believe away from the play. In fact, I can't find any injuries from this act ever and even Marchand said he's done it lots and seen it done lots and doesn't believe that's any intent to injure there.
Edit: Gionta was fined.
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A quick google search resulted in a number of quite recent "speared in the groin" incidents (Stahl on Ovechkin, Czikas on Wilson, Gionta on Borowiecki, and more this year) and not a single injury, fine or suspension and all believe away from the play. In fact, I can't find any injuries from this act ever and even Marchand said he's done it lots and seen it done lots and doesn't believe that's any intent to injure there.
Just cuz it happens a lot doesn't make it right.
It is a non-hockey play and to be honest garbage. It is the sort of crap I wish the league would get rid of, it does nothing to make the game better.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
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It continues to baffle me how conduct on the ice determined to be intent to injure isn't punished massively.
A spear, in open ice, is an example of conduct that has no other intent than to injure. It should be harshly punished.
If it isn't, the league leaves itself open to all sorts of law suits such as the current steve moore suit.
I simply do not get this attitude that if it happens on the ice, it's part of the game. There's nothing in the rule book that legitimizes spearing someone, why do so many people seem willing to legitimize it after the fact?
In his response Marchand says he's done it before and will likely do it again and that he said something to him earlier in the game that may have sparked the reaction. Maybe he crossed a line with his chirping.
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It is a non-hockey play and to be honest garbage. It is the sort of crap I wish the league would get rid of, it does nothing to make the game better.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
It's not right, but it's certainly not dangerous or suspendable. It's rarely even fined. I just found 30+ examples (3 this week alone, 2 last night) in a very quick search and no injuries and only three were fined.
I don't disagree it's dishonourable etc, but the outrage and "intent to injure" accusations are where I disagree.
