Update re. GM recruitment

[dsavillian]

point of order:

we've driven wayyyyy off the original path of "how do we get more people into the league?"

[flambers]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

The mistake we made last off-season was with the grids. We didn't connect the new ratings package and the grids well, so even though we limited cap space, teams still had plenty.

Aggressive grids+lower UFA age+limited cap availabity would potentially help here without going completely Nuclear.

Oh I agree, to clarify the grids which need work are for the RFAs.....

[Goffie]

Originally Posted by dsavillian

point of order:

we've driven wayyyyy off the original path of "how do we get more people into the league?"

Agreed, this was not a thread to decide whether or not we have a dispersal draft or not it was about recruiting quality long standing GMs.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

Not to be a broken record... I won't say it again for that reason but Like I said last time I think the greater issue is the over cap teams trading assets to get under cap and then flipping it right around afterwards.

The FA process doesn't move the talent around it just helps over cap teams to flush out their vets and steal the youth from the teams trying to build. That is my opinion and that is the FA problem and nothing to do with the grids last year

This doesn't mean I'm right, it is my believe but 29 other GM can see it differently and be as equally correct

I think you are correct here. But how do we solve for that?

[Tilley]

Although I would want to investigate the potential effects of a dispersal draft more closely, I am initially against it. I consider myself to be one of the lower-middling teams, would potentially gain from such a draft, but I don't think it would solve the long term issues. It takes time to find good GMs, the kind that will stick around for the long haul. I accepted the challenge of a poor roster, I would be fine with an experienced GM taking the Rangers or Canucks until a long term GM was found.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by dsavillian

point of order:

we've driven wayyyyy off the original path of "how do we get more people into the league?"

Good point and to be frank - we don't know if this would even help or not. Vancouver is considered a "have team" according to Hesla's review (though not an extreme one) and we've had a hard time filling that vacancy.

Even the Oiler have some really good chips to start with:
- Derek Brassard
- Zuccarello
- Kronwall
- Talbot
- 2 1sts this year
- Duclair
- Mccann
- Morrissey
- Zboril
- Fucale
- Hedman

People have started with far worse!

[Goffie]

^^Oilers have Hedman as well

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

I understand this, but if it benefits the league as a whole... people need to be on board and look at it from a league health perspective.

Hmmm. Maybe. I don't think we/you can state this with certainty. If you take away the motivation for teams to improve - what are you left with.
I don't think this is nearly as simple as you are making it out to be.

[Swayze11]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Hmmm. Maybe. I don't think we/you can state this with certainty. If you take away the motivation for teams to improve - what are you left with.
I don't think this is nearly as simple as you are making it out to be.

Or maybe it is that simple? From what I gather so far, the commish team is on board with a lot of band-aid fixes and are scared of big change. We won't know until we actually try big changes.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

Or maybe it is that simple? From what I gather so far, the commish team is on board with a lot of band-aid fixes and are scared of big change. We won't know until we actually try big changes.

Accusing the commish team of being "scared of big change" doesn't help this conversation.
Our job is to manage the long-term health of the league - not put the entire thing at risk to "try some stuff".
I'm happy to have an open dialogue as we've been having in this thread but don't tell us what we think or why.

There are all sorts of levers you can pull to impact player movement. I've mentioned a few of them in this thread.

I'm interested in an ongoing discussion about potential solutions. You seem to be locked on a very small number of options that several people in this thread have stated very clearly they aren't interested in.

And remember the problem at hand is GM recruitment not talent dispersion - though the two may be related.

[simmer2]

On the topic of finding GM's, I disagree that it is due to the assets on the team.

I do think the main problem is the simple challenge of trying to figure out how to play the game. The learning curve is steep just to figure out how to do the SIM part of things, let alone trade.

If effort was made to streamline on boarding I think that would solve a lot of problems. There are likely some opportunities for software iimprovements as well to make the basic mechanics of the game run smoother too (position changes, IR, etc). and we have some talented software folks in the league so could be an interesting topic.

A separate thread focused on newbie GM's expressing things tthey struggle with would be valuable.

Finally, I disagree with dispersal draft. Ideologically I am against giving up assets to 'teams in need'. I think the salary cap if used properly inherently does this. Look at the NHL, they have been very successful at having teams move assets.

A few suggestions re salary cap:

1) Grid this off-season was not good. Way too low a cost to sign valuable guys. Not enough forcing good teams to re-build. Needs to be re-adjustes

2) I don't think teams that win should get as much cheese as they do. they can too easily 'hoard' good players.

Our league thrives on trades, so all ideas should be focused with that objective in mind. and I think using salary cap mechanisms can do that naturally.

[JiriHrdina]

We did get rid of the extra cheese for playoff wins and awards

[simmer2]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

We did get rid of the extra cheese for playoff wins and awards

Haha clearly I wasn't close to winning awards or playoffs!

[TurdFerguson]

Some good points simmer. The challenge I see is not as much the spreading of cphl ratings as it is the concept of franchise wide value. Tighter cap may force some teams to move out a roster player or two but they just trading that for future value, which typically is a multiple asset acquisition. Win some trades lose some trades but overall the good GMs won't lose value here, if anything they'll gain it.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Hey. Flames GM here. The GM with the lowest asset currency in the league by a significant margin.

I've read through this entire thread. Here are some thoughts:

• I'd LOVE to be more active in this league in terms of trade talks, but it's just too damn hard when you adopt a team like I have (sorry Cheese, I know you're reading this). I have maybe five or six attractive pieces in my entire organization, but those are the guys simply keeping my team afloat. The rest is poo. So if I want to try and improve, say, my bottom 6, who in this league is going to look at my offer and say, "wow, I really want Steve Bernier/TJ Galiardi/Dustin Jeffrey/Tim Schaller/Trevor Lewis/Adam Burish on my team!" No one. That include my myriad of 34+ year old geezers. That's why it's hard for us newbie GMs who adopt asset poor teams. I traded my best asset in Datsyuk and that's it for me. It's tough to improve beyond that when there's not much to dangle.
• Outside of my poor assets, I really do enjoy this league. It's fun to talk to GMs. Most of you are awesome. I like the fake Twitter accounts and press releases. How else can we know what's going on in with other teams in the league without a press release here or there? I think every GM should do this from time to time. Let the league know how you're doing. Is there a successful player on your team exceeding expectations? Is your asset rich team a steaming pile? Do up a press release! Write about it. I'm interested in hearing about it. Don't make it wordy or a block of text or anything, but add some humour and some fake quotes. Let's get this league interesting again BEYOND simply trade talks. No one sees trade talks. All we see is the results. That's what will attract new GMs.
• I'm pleasantly surprised with my team's (Flames) success this season. We're third in the Western Conference and it's been nice to do some fun ribbing on other GMs who have MUCH better teams. However, if I had the opportunity, I'd love to take over a team lower in the standings with more assets and actually be more active in trade talks. That's the fun in it. Success in SIM doesn't always equal fun. And frankly, I'm not having that much fun with so few assets to work with, which is why you don't hear from me very often. I want to be active in CPHL, but it's hard to be.
• In terms of a dispersal draft of some sort where a certain number of players are protected, I'm all for it. Especially if it means I can get some real attractive trade pieces. How we can do this without upsetting the OG's of CPHL, I don't know.

[CMPunk]

Which teams are available?

[JiriHrdina]

Vancouver, Edmonton, NYR.
Come back!

[CMPunk]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Vancouver, Edmonton, NYR.
Come back!

Debating if I have the time and if the same old GM's are going to drive me crazy

[JiriHrdina]

We are less demanding on time than we used to be