If Hartley is fired, who would replace him?

[Drak]

Originally Posted by DropIt

The issue is that there is no other option right now. If Calgary ends up a bottom 5 team, I'd still put my money on them EXTENDING Hartley rather than firing him. We are a hair over 10 games in and you're calling for his head? It won't happen. Not now, not before the end of next year.

Get used to Bob Hartley, because he is the reigning Jack Adams winner and is nowhere near the main problem resonating with this team.

Cali Panthers Fan isn't calling for Hartley's head. At all. From what I've read, he is against canning him at this time. He created this thread to get some discussion on the topic because others want him fired.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by DropIt

The issue is that there is no other option right now. If Calgary ends up a bottom 5 team, I'd still put my money on them EXTENDING Hartley rather than firing him. We are a hair over 10 games in and you're calling for his head? It won't happen. Not now, not before the end of next year.

Get used to Bob Hartley, because he is the reigning Jack Adams winner and is nowhere near the main problem resonating with this team.

No...no I'm not at all. Read the OP. I defend him.

It's a hypothetical based solely on the things I was reading around here. It was just intended to explore the topic a bit. That's it. No need to get so upset about it.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by DropIt

The issue is that there is no other option right now. If Calgary ends up a bottom 5 team, I'd still put my money on them EXTENDING Hartley rather than firing him. We are a hair over 10 games in and you're calling for his head? It won't happen. Not now, not before the end of next year.

Get used to Bob Hartley, because he is the reigning Jack Adams winner and is nowhere near the main problem resonating with this team.

I think you couldn't be more wrong. I highly doubt Hartley has as long of a leash as you are suggesting. Bottom 5 finish at the end of the year I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he is let go. I don't see any scenario where he is fired this year but I could easily see him canned if this team is a bottom feeder all year.

Remember this is not Trelving's coach so I don't know if the loyalty is there like it would be with Feaster. In addition coaches like Bob have a short life span. He got so much out of that Atlanta team with young superstars Kobalchuk and Hossa. They win the division, lose in the playoffs, start horribly and Hartley is gone. Also Jack Adams winners are often fired within 2-3 years of winning the award.

I like Hartley but if the room ever quits on him (which can happen if they keep going at this pace) then he is done at the end of the year. Last year was awesome but expectations have risen so even though this team is still rebuilding the message from management has been clear they have no interest in taking a step back. The way the season has gone to date they have taken a HUGE step back

[savemedrzaius]

You guys should hire Carlyle because it would be hilarious to watch.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Also Jack Adams winners are often fired within 2-3 years of winning the award.

I have zero data to back this up, but aren't most coaches fired within a 3 year cycle or so? I can't think of many coaches that last longer than 5 years anywhere.

[dammage79]

Not Treliving's coach? He re-signed him. Didn't have to, could have went out and got his own guy. He didn't because Hartley was this guy.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

You guys should hire Carlyle because it would be hilarious to watch.

No, what's funny is watching the Toronto media crush the soul out of any person that gets even remotely close to the Maple Leafs franchise.

Frickin' hee-larious.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I have zero data to back this up, but aren't most coaches fired within a 3 year cycle or so? I can't think of many coaches that last longer than 5 years anywhere.

Ruff, Quenville, Bylsma, Babcock, Julien in this era have coached longer than 5 years. Those are off the top of my head. Didn't Hitch coach that long in Dallas too? Different era. NVM.

On average yeah Id say 3 years. There's a big window here for Hartley to operate in though. I don't think he gets canned this season. Perhaps as early as next year if they get off to a poo start then.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I have zero data to back this up, but aren't most coaches fired within a 3 year cycle or so? I can't think of many coaches that last longer than 5 years anywhere.

Same here, but usually its cause Jack Adams candidates/winners tend to pull a rabbit out of a hat, but its really hard to maintain so the teams comes crashing down and teams that come crashing down, usually end up firing their coach.

[hockey.modern]

Would you consider firing Cloutier & Gelinas first before Hartley?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

Originally Posted by Locke

Is he The Walrus?

Well, here's another clue for you all
The walrus is Paul!

[Armchair Quarterback]

Stephen Harper? He did write a book about hockey after all

Sorry, too soon, too soon.

[CSharp]

If Hartley's fired, we won't have those awesome quotes on TV anymore. I can just see Hartley's answer to this thread, "Is this a f'ing joke?" I'm sure if players can be fired, he'd fire Gio, Wideman, and Hamilton right now. And, I'd be super happy if he quoted me on that on TV after another bad defensive game.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Not Treliving's coach? He re-signed him. Didn't have to, could have went out and got his own guy. He didn't because Hartley was this guy.

How do you not extend Bob after last season? Our team was the darling of the league and played a solid consistent game all year. The NHL is a "what have you done for me lately" type of business so while the last 2 years will buy Bob some time before they made a change but if the Flames finish bottom 5 that would be 25th, 27th, 16th, bottom 5 in 4 years. I don't know too many coaches that keep their jobs after that performance from the team.

Also I do not think this season has been Bob's fault but he might be the guy to pay the price (at the end of this year or early next year). Like it or not last year raised expectations and sped up the rebuild.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think you couldn't be more wrong. I highly doubt Hartley has as long of a leash as you are suggesting. Bottom 5 finish at the end of the year I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he is let go. I don't see any scenario where he is fired this year but I could easily see him canned if this team is a bottom feeder all year.

Remember this is not Trelving's coach so I don't know if the loyalty is there like it would be with Feaster. In addition coaches like Bob have a short life span. He got so much out of that Atlanta team with young superstars Kobalchuk and Hossa. They win the division, lose in the playoffs, start horribly and Hartley is gone. Also Jack Adams winners are often fired within 2-3 years of winning the award.

I like Hartley but if the room ever quits on him (which can happen if they keep going at this pace) then he is done at the end of the year. Last year was awesome but expectations have risen so even though this team is still rebuilding the message from management has been clear they have no interest in taking a step back. The way the season has gone to date they have taken a HUGE step back

Since when?

Julien, Tippett, Hitch, Roy, and Hartley are all still coaching the teams they won the award with. Vigneault coached the canucks another 4 seasons after winning one with the canucks.

Since 08, only 2 Adams winners have been fired.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Since when?

Julien, Tippett, Hitch, Roy, and Hartley are all still coaching the teams they won the award with. Vigneault coached the canucks another 4 seasons after winning one with the canucks.

Since 08, only 2 Adams winners have been fired.

Torts, Bylsma, Boidreau, Maclean were all fired within 3 seasons after winning he award. Roy is taking heat right now. I also thought Boucher won the award when Julien won it.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Torts, Bylsma, Boidreau, Maclean were all fired within 3 seasons after winning he award. Roy is taking heat right now. I also thought Boucher won the award when Julien won it.

Given that three years is about the average tenure of NHL coaches who don't win the Jack Adams, the fact that those four were fired within three years of winning it doesn't prove much.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Given that three years is about the average tenure of NHL coaches who don't win the Jack Adams, the fact that those four were fired within three years of winning it doesn't prove much.

My point from the get go is Hartley could easily be let go by the end of this year if the team is still struggling which another poster argued would not happen because he just won the Jack Adams. I am not trying to prove Jack Adams coaches get fired I am stating I think Hartley could be fired of the team finishes bottom 5 this year.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

How do you not extend Bob after last season?

Treliving extended Hartley during last season. Specifically, during the 8 game losing streak. Not after we made the playoffs, not after we beat the Canucks. After we had lost something like six straight games, some to teams like Buffalo and another to Jamie Benn single handedly. Treliving is also well aware of advanced stats and extended Hartley knowing that the team at that point in the season was playing way over its head.

[SHOGUN]

I doubt Hartley gets canned any time soon. Tippett is still in Phoenix.