The day I have waited for 10 years.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by MattyC

http://mytoba.ca/voices/the-2015-can...tell-the-tale/



https://theviewfromseven.files.wordp...rson-corrs.pdf

University certificate; diploma or degree
above bachelor level (Education): CON-0.00594245 LIB 0.439910781

Not much correlation either way for education and Conservative voting status. A pretty substantial correlation between education and Liberal voting though. I personally don't think that means much in the bigger picture, but I wasn't the one who brought it up.

Conversely

No postsecondary certificate; diploma or
degree (Education): CON 0.178411878 LIB -0.08401693

A small positive correlation between no post-secondary and Conservative voting vs a slight negative correlation for Liberal.

Interestingly there is just as strong of a positive correlation for voting Con with a high school diploma as there is for Liberal and Bachelors or higher. And a slight negative for Liberals. This suggests that whatever is happening to people to make them switch from Conservative to Liberal happens at some point in post secondary.

High school diploma or equivalent
(Education): CON 0.425128072 LIB -0.03930936

If you go back and look at what the pollsters were reporting, the Liberals tended to be in the lead among those who had completed a university degree.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by bax

His stance on refugees and Bill C-51 come to mind.

The fact that a large chunk of his campaign was based around islamophobia didn't help him either.

I think there is plenty not to like about Harper now but it's the hyperbole in the opening post that from the day he got elected he was waiting for him to be gone.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by rubecube

If you go back and look at what the pollsters were reporting, the Liberals tended to be in the lead among those who had completed a university degree.

So the Conservatives have an incentive to keep the population less educated...interesting...

[Buster]

Originally Posted by Yamer

I would disagree on a fundamental level, as any healthy dialogue completely depends on those holding the conversation (rather than the bloated terminology used).

Xenophobia certainly serves the purpose well enough, but there has been a rise in Islam-specific phobia and rhetoric. Hence, 'Islamaphobia'.

Homophobia wasn't a word until there was a reason for it to exist. Namely, the backlash against the anti-homosexual cultural landscape.

Criticism of an ideology should never be considered bigotry.

Comparing homosexuality to an ideology is obvious a false equivalence - since homosexuality is not an ideology.

A better term might be Islamo-criticism.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

To be clear, though, it's obvious that there is such a thing as anti-muslim bigotry. The problem is that the term "Islamophobia" has become so confused that it now ties in actual anti-muslim bigotry (which in Canada, it seems to me, is largely a matter of xenophobia as Yamer suggests) and simply taking issue with specific doctrines in Islam and they way those doctrines are interpreted by certain adherents.

Thing is, nearly all of them(that is, those muslims espousing illiberal views based on religious doctrine) reside somewhere other than North America, which completely undercuts any sort of "purpose", as Yamer puts it, that might be served by xenophobia. Which I don't really know is legitimate to begin with.

[Buster]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

To be clear, though, it's obvious that there is such a thing as anti-muslim bigotry. The problem is that the term "Islamophobia" has become so confused that it now ties in actual anti-muslim bigotry (which in Canada, it seems to me, is largely a matter of xenophobia as Yamer suggests) and simply taking issue with specific doctrines in Islam and they way those doctrines are interpreted by certain adherents.

Thing is, nearly all of them(that is, those muslims espousing illiberal views based on religious doctrine) reside somewhere other than North America, which completely undercuts any sort of "purpose", as Yamer puts it, that might be served by xenophobia. Which I don't really know is legitimate to begin with.

There are certainly irrational fears of Islam.

But that does not mean that all criticisms of the ideology are irrational. One does not follow from the other.

"Islamophobia" is a term designed designed to throw ideological criticism under the same tent as racism/bigotry. This is an obviously illogical position.

Xenophobia is obviously a pointless term for the discussion because it requires the position to be irrational. This is not always the case, either.

As for the bold-ed, you would be interested in various poll results for north american muslims.

[FireGilbert]

Exaggerate much? Harper started off as a great PM and I was very happy the West was finally "in" but unfortunately like all others before him the power eventually started to corrupt and it was time to go.

Also, you guys had it pretty good in Canada. 10 years of Harper >>>> 2 years of the racist, sexist, homophobic onion eater who was so out of touch with modern society he resigned by fax machine.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by rubecube

If you go back and look at what the pollsters were reporting, the Liberals tended to be in the lead among those who had completed a university degree.

Oh yeah, none of what I found surprises me at all. But those people can go on continuing to think they're smarter than everyone else, and anyone who disagrees must just be dumb. Because only dumb people ever disagree with smart people.

Maybe it's just my Liberal idiocy and I'm interpreting that ungodly string of statistics wrong. Although I did an entire degree that dealt with pretty much that. But I voted Liberal, must've just been a philosophy degree and I didn't realize. How would I know? I can't even read the degree on my wall. It's a wonder I could put the X where I meant to on my ballot to be honest.

[pylon]

I love how this thread has now become a way to passive/aggressively insinuate that people without degrees have a less relevant or worthy vote.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by pylon

I love how this thread has now become a way to passive/aggressively insinuate that people without degrees have a less relevant or worthy vote.

You shouldn't vote unless you have a degree. Or being to the Guild

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by pylon

I love how this thread has now become a way to passive/aggressively insinuate that people without degrees have a less relevant or worthy vote.

I don't think that's what's happening at all. I pretty much stated otherwise. Maybe your reading comprehension would be better if you'd gone to university

[zamler]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I don't think that's what's happening at all. I pretty much stated otherwise. Maybe your reading comprehension would be better if you'd gone to university

It must be my lack of multiple degrees but....mixed message?

Originally Posted by rubecube

Might want to go check the actual demographics on a which way the more educated folks actually voted.

Originally Posted by rubecube

If you go back and look at what the pollsters were reporting, the Liberals tended to be in the lead among those who had completed a university degree.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Harper is Hydra. Or shall I say, was Hydra.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by kevman

Uh??? You started this thread to get into a pissing match...

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I would love to know how you envisioned this going.

Maybe like this:



When it was actually going to be this:



Just kidding.

The paranoia and self-righteousness on social media and things like facebook is pretty hilarious. I'm surprised people haven't started holding victory parades or funeral marches in every city.

[Jbo]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Today is Stephen Harpers last day as Prime Minister. All I can say is

Bad thread is bad

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by zamler

It must be my lack of multiple degrees but....mixed message?

Right but that was in response to another poster suggesting that left leaning voters were uneducated. I also went on to write that I didn't really think it mattered in the big picture, but let's at least get the facts straight.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Buster

As for the bold-ed, you would be interested in various poll results for north american muslims.

I would; I can basically guarantee the results aren't anywhere near as alarming as muslim majority countries, or even for that matter European countries. But I generally agree with your points.

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Today is Stephen Harpers last day as Prime Minister.

[Frequitude]

I don't think I've ever blown through thanks as fast as I just did in this thread. knocked it out of the park many of you did.

[Buster]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I would; I can basically guarantee the results aren't anywhere near as alarming as muslim majority countries, or even for that matter European countries. But I generally agree with your points.

Pew Research seems to be one of the more respected sources of this type of data. Lots to go through if you are interested in this stuff:

http://www.pewresearch.org/

But as you say, I don't think we are making different points. Generally Islam in western countries is more moderate. However, as I said many Pew poll results indicate that there are more non-moderates than you think. And certain issues/opinions that you might not consider moderate are rather commonplace among Wester muslim populations.