[News] Jonas Hiller - lower body injury. Out a minimum of 1 week UPD: Ramo recalled

[Iceman90]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

Does Ramo need to clear waivers again when he returns to Stockton?

If he's here for more than 10 games or 30 days. I keep forgetting re-entry waivers have been removed too.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Ramo played 20 minutes in relief of Gillies who got pulled a few days ago. He's not ice cold. He was only waived last week anyways.

This doesn't change a thing. The fact is that Ortio has played more hockey than Ramo in the past week. But my point here is really that both goaltenders should be fine to play this weekend.

[IgiTang]

Here we go again..

Hopefully Ramo shows well and we are able to turn him into a pick or package him with someine for a top 6 fwd.

[Iceman90]

Ramo has proven he plays well when under pressure. He was crap with McDonald as his backup, but showed a lot better when Berra started challenging for the job.

Last year Ramo wasn't spectacular until he and Hiller really started to compete for the net, and Hiller was named the "starter", and then Ramo worked hard to win the job back.

I assume Ramo will be fighting hard this time too, to show he deserves the net over Ortio. If he does, we should see some good goaltending from the pair.

[Finger Cookin]

10 games from now will be the home game against the Devils on Nov 17. So the Flames will need to decide what to do with him by the end of the four game eastern road trip prior to that, unless they want to send him through waivers again.

[albertGQ]

Back to back wins with Ramo in net for both games this weekend.

Book it.

[adc]

Originally Posted by Buff

I know that a majority of people would prefer to see Ortio get both starts, but that may not happen since it is back to back nights.

So, if the starts are split between the two goalies, what would you prefer happen?

I am one who would want Ortio to start both games. We have seen what Ramo has to offer and it isn't much let's see what Ortio can do if given the chance to be "the guy" for awhile.

But given that you won't allow that in your scenario I will say I think we lose against Montrwal anyways so let Ramo go in and suck in that game and then hope Ortio can have a big game against the Oilers.

[Dr. Doom]

The goaltender controversy that just won't go away!
For a guy that clearly has no idea what to do with goalies, Hartley is sooooooo screwed with this carousel

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Back to back wins with Ramo in net for both games this weekend.

Book it.

pretty much how i see this going down.

This is like the Hunger Games Round 2, and Ramo's back and wants to win. I fully expect him to be Catching Fire

[dammage79]

Both Hiller and Ramo have been bad. Some have zero faith in Hiller. I have even less in Ramo. This goaltending situation is a nightmare that seemingly has no end.

I wish Ortio would get a run of starts but that isnt how Hartley is operating.

Thus the nightmare continues.

[Anduril]

While probably not the best choice based on his performance this season, can't say that signing another goalie was a mistake seeing as we have nothing else beyond Ramo and Ortio. Can only hope one will finally give adequate and even good goaltending.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Anduril

While probably not the best choice based on his performance this season, can't say that signing another goalie was a mistake seeing as we have nothing else beyond Ramo and Ortio. Can only hope one will finally give adequate and even good goaltending.

I think signing Ramo was a panic move by Treliving. Much has been made of the potential Hiller deal that fell through but as we have seen over the years, G is probably the easiest position to backfill given the supply/demand balance. Had Treliving been successful in moving Hiller, there were G out there that could have been signed. We could have also looked at Minnesota who have Backstrom available for next to nothing. Easy to play Monday morning quarterback but this was one of the few missteps he's had and I'm sure he will learn from it.

On a side note I wonder if we could pick up Backstrom from minny in exchange for Ramo. Minny is in a similar position to us as they have dubnyk and kuemper and backstrom and not much else. We could send them Ramo who they could bury in the minors and get cap savings, which they can't with Backstrom as has nmc which allows him to refuse assignment to the ahl. He had a good camp and seems to be recovered. Can't see any risk from our side but not sure if minny would want to do us any favours.

[Erick Estrada]

I hope Ortio starts against the Habs as if he has a good game Hartley can go back to him Saturday. Ramo starting against the Oilers has the makings of another embarrassment as McDavid will probably be practicing all sorts of bad angle shots to use on him.

[sa226]

I think we need to resign ourselves to the fact that for better or worse this is our goaltending crew for the season.

Even if they start to play better the body of work doesn't suggest another team will take on their contracts for the remainder of the season unless said team gets really desperate.

Its still early, but I think what you see is what you get with Hiller and Ramo. Our only hope is for Ortio to really grab ahold of the reins.

[GullFoss]

I dunno what you guys are whining about...the boy's sucked in front of Ramo in game 1, he kept them in it until 1 bad goal in Winnipeg, he sucked against the capitals.

So really, he's let in 1 bad goal and has had 1 bad game. talk about judging on small sample size and overreacting.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I dunno what you guys are whining about...the boy's sucked in front of Ramo in game 1, he kept them in it until 1 bad goal in Winnipeg, he sucked against the capitals.

So really, he's let in 1 bad goal and has had 1 bad game. talk about judging on small sample size and overreacting.

He's let in a soft goal in every start. He let in that crippling soft 2nd goal against the Capitals that opened the flood gates in the 2nd period of the game. He's terrible but Hiller hasn't been any better. Ortio has the smallest sample size so far and right now he's really the only hope this team has and I'm not sold on him either at this point.

[hockey.modern]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I dunno what you guys are whining about...the boy's sucked in front of Ramo in game 1, he kept them in it until 1 bad goal in Winnipeg, he sucked against the capitals.

So really, he's let in 1 bad goal and has had 1 bad game. talk about judging on small sample size and overreacting.

A small sample size that will continue to get bigger and not help the Flames solve their problems this season.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I dunno what you guys are whining about...the boy's sucked in front of Ramo in game 1, he kept them in it until 1 bad goal in Winnipeg, he sucked against the capitals.

So really, he's let in 1 bad goal and has had 1 bad game. talk about judging on small sample size and overreacting.

There's a reason why Treliving was trying to upgrade the G position at the draft. We are seeing the results of plan b right now. Minnesota could have pulled the plug on the season last year but they made a move and made the playoffs. Not saying we will make the playoffs if we trade for a g but I'd say our chances would be higher if we did, after seeing what we have with 1/8 the season gone.

[adc]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I dunno what you guys are whining about...the boy's sucked in front of Ramo in game 1, he kept them in it until 1 bad goal in Winnipeg, he sucked against the capitals.

So really, he's let in 1 bad goal and has had 1 bad game. talk about judging on small sample size and overreacting.

Small sample size?

He sucked his first season with the Flames, he sucked last year and this year he sucked as well.

He didn't keep them in anything that Winnipeg game. The only tough save was Russell saving his ass after he lost the net for millionth time in his career. Ramo had 3 brutal goals in the Vancouver game, was brutal in Washington and let a atom level goal in against Winnipeg.

Ramo has spent his whole career showing he is not good not sure why we should expect this to be any different for him.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Anduril

While probably not the best choice based on his performance this season, can't say that signing another goalie was a mistake seeing as we have nothing else beyond Ramo and Ortio. Can only hope one will finally give adequate and even good goaltending.

Yeah me and some others said the best thing would be for Ramo to pass through waivers and get assigned to Stockton in case of injury. Losing him to waivers could have put the organization in some trouble.