Winnipeg is No Good

[Benched]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

I'll assume all the people who don't hate Winnipeg are too young to have grown up in the 80s.

you assume correctly. was busy being born in the 80s

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Sort of wrong, very wrong, and just wrong.

We tapered our expectations for Gaudreau, sure, but we wanted Bennett in, absolutely, no questions asked.

And Sam was drafted 4th.

You are correct that Bennett was 4th, not 3rd, which changes nothing. He was indeed ranked first from time to time.

I'm not wrong about the debate about Bennett's placement. The debate about whether he should be recalled or sent to the OHL after his rehab went on for pages and pages. It's easy to find on CP.

And no one said Gaudreau would be a gamebreaker, at least, not until camp.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

I was happy Winnipeg got their team back, especially for the fans that endured losing the team in 96. I'm mostly neutral towards them right now, I wouldn't be upset if they won a cup like I would if EDM, VAN, TOR or MON did... In fact I would be happy ASSUMING we already locked up our second cup before that. I am different than a lot of Flames fans from the late 80s to 96... I never did hate the Jets then, I was a little too young to remember 87, though I remember 88 and onwards. I mostly viewed them as the Canadian version of the Hartford Whalers.... the little engine the couldn't. Hard to hate a team that was so mediocre... I felt sorry for them more than anything. Perhaps if the internet was a thing back then I might've felt different but I had pretty much zero interaction with their fans out here in BC.

That being said, all that goes out the window with one playoff series against them. By the end of the series I'm sure I would hate them just the same as the Canucks or Oilers (especially if we lost).

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

...And no one said Gaudreau would be a gamebreaker, at least, not until camp.

This is also not entirely true. While the vast majority of posters were only cautiously optimistic about Gaudreau's ability to play in the NHL, there were a small handful of us who considered him a game breaker as far back as his first college season.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

This is also not entirely true. While the vast majority of posters were only cautiously optimistic about Gaudreau's ability to play in the NHL, there were a small handful of us who considered him a game breaker as far back as his first college season.

I realize I'm generalizing. Of course, for every person like you describe there was another saying he'd never make it at all.

The comment was a comparison to the assumption that Ehlers is a gamebreaker, without a single NHL game under his belt. I think that's giving him the Sven treatment, not the Gaudreau treatment.

[LChoy]

Because there are so few Canadian teams, it's like having an extra level of competition between all of the Canadian team.

My preference:
Calgary >>Ottawa>Jets>Toronto>>Montreal>>>>>>>>>>>>>Vancou ver>Oilers

LChoy

[Strange Brew]

I know that most people here are just engaging in some fun smack talk with our Canadian rivals, and for some people, there is a real rivalry with each listed team based on the Flames history. Personally I remember the playoff series with the Jets and I still hate the Oilers and Canucks.

But personally, I like to taper some of the bravado about who will be our rival the soonest. The Flames had a surprising season with some good young talent. And we finally won another playoff round. We are not sitting on top of the mountain.

Admittedly I haven't watched every playoff game in the past few years, but did I miss seeing somebody in the Flaming C carrying a big silver trophy around the ice?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

...I like to taper some of the bravado about who will be our rival the soonest. The Flames had a surprising season with some good young talent. And we finally won another playoff round. We are not sitting on top of the mountain.

Admittedly I haven't watched every playoff game in the past few years, but did I miss seeing somebody in the Flaming C carrying a big silver trophy around the ice?

I'm not sure I understand your post. Are you chiding fans for being optimistic about the Flames' future on the basis of the fact that they did not win the Stanley Cup this season? If so, that's ridiculous. Surprise or not, the Flames look very well positioned to have a lot of success in the very near future. Telling fans to temper their enthusiasm in this instance is silly.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I know that most people here are just engaging in some fun smack talk with our Canadian rivals, and for some people, there is a real rivalry with each listed team based on the Flames history. Personally I remember the playoff series with the Jets and I still hate the Oilers and Canucks.

But personally, I like to taper some of the bravado about who will be our rival the soonest. The Flames had a surprising season with some good young talent. And we finally won another playoff round. We are not sitting on top of the mountain.

Admittedly I haven't watched every playoff game in the past few years, but did I miss seeing somebody in the Flaming C carrying a big silver trophy around the ice?

I believe you may mean "temper", not "taper".

Are Flames fans not allowed to be quite optomistic until there is a cup win? That's.... odd.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I believe you may mean "temper", not "taper".

Are Flames fans not allowed to be quite optomistic until there is a cup win? That's.... odd.

Shirley you can't be serious? About to write a definition for taper that I believe demonstrates it is used appropriately in this case but I will concede that your correction is more appropriate. Thank you for that.

And please don't misinterpret my post as a request to refrain from being optimistic. In fact, I was thinking today about the new deck I am building for my backyard and I am very optimistic how it will turn out. So optimistic in fact that I am enjoying telling my neighbors how ugly their yards look. Or maybe I don't understand what optimistic means.

Anyway I get that sports rivalries are different and sports is by nature competitive but questioning when our rivals will be able to compete with us is maybe a little premature. Two of the three finished with more points than us this year so they seem to be competing OK so far.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

...I get that sports rivalries are different and sports is by nature competitive but questioning when our rivals will be able to compete with us is maybe a little premature.

Does it really bother you that much? I can't imagine why.

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Two of the three finished with more points than us this year so they seem to be competing OK so far.

The Flames trounced one of these teams in the playoffs, and the other managed to beat the Flames only once in three games last season, in a meaningless game in which Calgary sat most of their starters.

Given the off season improvements the Flames have made, added to their relative regular season domination of the Jets, and the arguably slight downgrade in roster depth that Winnipeg has suffered this summer, it seems reasonable to me to expect that they are not about to suddenly overwhelm the Flames.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Does it really bother you that much? I can't imagine why.


The Flames trounced one of these teams in the playoffs, and the other managed to beat the Flames only once in three games last season, in a meaningless game in which Calgary sat most of their starters.

Given the off season improvements the Flames have made, added to their relative regular season domination of the Jets, and the arguably slight downgrade in roster depth that Winnipeg has suffered this summer, it seems reasonable to me to expect that they are not about to suddenly overwhelm the Flames.

I just think that Strange Brew is just trying to keep the Flame Fanboy tendencies In check. It is so obviously lame when done by Edmonton fanboys.

Please consider that as great and unexpected the Flames were they picked up 20 of their 97 points from games with Edmonton and and Arizona.

The Jets only picked up 4 out of a possible 6 pts from Arizona... and 6 out of 6 from Edmonton.

The schedule give the Flames a 8 pt head start on the Jets with 10 game against the weak sisters of the poor rather than 6.

The whole of the Pacific division had their point totals boosted by having 10 games against the worst tanking teams in the conference.

The door mats of the Central were Dallas and Colorado .... not easy games at all.

The Flames did great and the Hamilton move in the off season and adding Bennett is great but to saying that the Flame are the team that the Jets and even Canucks aspire grow up to be is a Fanboy stance.

[Strange Brew]

Guys I appreciate the back and forth but maybe there is no need to be condescending. I acknowledge my share of the blame.

I find it irritating when a fan base shows no humility. I suspect I am not alone in that. Wondering if these teams will ever be able to compete with us is maybe premature.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Shirley you can't be serious? About to write a definition for taper that I believe demonstrates it is used appropriately in this case but I will concede that your correction is more appropriate. Thank you for that.

And please don't misinterpret my post as a request to refrain from being optimistic. In fact, I was thinking today about the new deck I am building for my backyard and I am very optimistic how it will turn out. So optimistic in fact that I am enjoying telling my neighbors how ugly their yards look. Or maybe I don't understand what optimistic means.

Anyway I get that sports rivalries are different and sports is by nature competitive but questioning when our rivals will be able to compete with us is maybe a little premature. Two of the three finished with more points than us this year so they seem to be competing OK so far.

Calgary's neighbors' "yards" do look ugly. If by "yards" we mean "teams".

As for finishing with more points, true. But Winnipeg only did so because they dressed a real team on the last day, plus Calgary chucked about 10 points mid season. And Calgary won more games. So there's that. And Calgary won the season series (and now has the winning goal-scorer in the game they lost).

And I don't care how many points Vancouver had, Calgary smoked them in the POs. So they were better.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Guys I appreciate the back and forth but maybe there is no need to be condescending. I acknowledge my share of the blame.

I find it irritating when a fan base shows no humility. I suspect I am not alone in that. Wondering if these teams will ever be able to compete with us is maybe premature.

I think you misread the thread title. It actually assumes the opposite.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Please consider that as great and unexpected the Flames were they picked up 20 of their 97 points from games with Edmonton and and Arizona.

The Jets only picked up 4 out of a possible 6 pts from Arizona... and 6 out of 6 from Edmonton.

It is beyond pathetic that the Jets lost a game to the Arizona Coyotes. The Winnipeg Jets suck.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Please consider that as great and unexpected the Flames were they picked up 20 of their 97 points from games with Edmonton and and Arizona.

The Jets only picked up 4 out of a possible 6 pts from Arizona... and 6 out of 6 from Edmonton.

Preseason games aside, The Jets also only picked up 0 out of 4 possible points from Calgary. Calgary picked up 4 out of 4 possible points from Winnipeg.

I guess Calgary did benefit from feasting on lesser teams while the Jets had tough competition.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Preseason games aside, The Jets also only picked up 0 out of 4 possible points from Calgary. Calgary picked up 4 out of 4 possible points from Winnipeg.

I guess Calgary did benefit from feasting on lesser teams while the Jets had tough competition.

Forgetting last game of the year?

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Forgetting last game of the year?

You mean the game where half our AHL team was playing and our entire top line sat out? We were playing our 3rd string goalie who was about 75% at the time, playing his first game in weeks FFS. Hartley was just hoping to escape that game without anyone important suffering an injury. That game was meaningless and shouldn't be compared to the other meetings between the two teams. I would think the same thing had we somehow won with that line-up.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Forgetting last game of the year?

"preseason games aside"