Calgary man out of a job after racist tirade caught on video.

[Mr.Coffee]

Exactly I'm not certain that type of behaviour deserves privacy whatsoever. That type of behaviour needs to wiped completely from our society, and he or anyone else that acts like such an idiot deserves every bit of criticism that comes their way. It's repulsive and frankly embarrassing to most good natured Canadians.

You know sometimes when you meet a person who just straight up needs an asskicking? Yeah it's this guy.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by sketchyt

I remember the days when I was taught "sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never break me." Being a minority, I've experienced so-called 'racism' but it's never held me from doing whatever I wanted.

I'm all for this dickbag getting fired but it seems these days it's "sticks and stones will break my bones but words... let's put some legislation around it." This concerns me.

Also, guy lost his job. Fine. Guy is now basically unemployable as his name and this incident is all over the place because people NEED to have this feeling of justice... or more accurately, vengeance. Punishment doesn't fit the "crime" here, IMO.

Sticks and stones is bull####. It makes it seem like as long as you're not physically harming someone you're not harming them at all. By that logic, it's not racist if you soften n*gger to n*gga, and it's not rape if she doesn't verbally say 'no'.

Should the guy lose his job? Probably. Having done no research, if his company was paying for his cab ride home after the christmas party (literally the least they could do) he must have an alright gig. A-hole racists don't need alright gigs. They can break rocks and hold the 'Slow/Stop' sign in front of the steamroller.

[driveway]

On the topic of cameras and loss of privacy, I currently live in one of the most heavily observed cities and countries in the world. There are cameras almost everywhere here, on lamp posts, walls, in the metro, cabbie dashcams, etc.

This is also, by far, the safest city I've ever lived in. In terms of petty crime and personal violence Taipei is way, way, wayyyyyyy safer than Calgary. I've been at parties and young women are more than happy to walk home, alone, at night, for like 30 blocks. There are cultural factors at play here, theft is considered hugely humiliating to have to participate in, organized crime is entrenched and powerful removing opportunities for petty criminals. However the fact that every single act is on camera absolute contributes to public safety.

On the other hand, no one I know here feels it is an impingement on liberty. In fact, liberty has been steadily increasing in Taiwan over the last 30 years as the country moves away from being a military dictatorship at the same time that public surveillance has been increasing.

I totally understand the knee-jerk "I don't want to be on camera" reaction, but having lived it, it really really makes no difference at all in your daily life.

[Swift]

Posts in this thread -

56% Denouncing the guy as a racist #######
44% Arguing the guy's right to privacy when racially harassing a complete stranger

What next? "Can't a man rob a convenience store without being subjected to Big Brother yet again spying on him?"

[EldrickOnIce]

Can someone explain if I have this correct.
The law is interesting, in my understanding, in that I am legally required to be informed that my conversation may/is being recorded, but video is different?

[Minnie]

In the case of the cabs, I believe they have it listed prominently, that they make use of the cameras.

[Sr. Mints]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Yes, the next logical step to firing a racist who assaulted a taxi cab driver, during a ride paid for by the company after a company party, is firing people who wear orange on St. Patrick's Day.

Clearly my point was lost on you, but I'll concede that I could've used a better example to illustrate it.

[driveway]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Can someone explain if I have this correct.

The law is interesting, in my understanding, in that I am legally required to be informed that my conversation may/is being recorded, but video is different?

Exactly the opposite. Your conversation in Canada can be recorded at any time. The only requirement is that the party who is doing the recording be aware of the fact that the recording is happening.

Recording in the workplace may violate a company code, but it is perfectly legal.

"You can walk around all day with a tape recorder in Canada if you want to."

Source: http://globalnews.ca/news/1300988/wa...red-in-canada/

[chemgear]

Man, some of the posts in this thread.



So many people here seem so worried about the future employment prospects and well-being of the virulent racist who was perfectly happy to threaten and spew such hate.

Not much worry at all for the GD Canadian citizen that had to endure it.

Do so many of us identify more with the white guy in the business suit rather than the father of four who was victimized?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Does anyone actually think the company he worked for is suffering from this?

Keeping this guy on the payroll would/could be hard on morale. It would also be bad for business in the sense that people might not give you business knowing you have this infamous guy working for you.

I'm in a completely un-related industry but where I work, I know that he wouldn't be particularly welcome in the office. We'd definitely lose business over it too.

[schteve_d]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Company is only paying for the cab because they supplied booze at their event. Covering their ass from potential liability.

Maybe they shouldn't fire him since they are partly responsible

I do hope the funny face meant that thought was tongue in cheek.

If not: Partly responsible? For feeding him alcohol I suppose? They are not partly responsible for him being a racist a$$hole. This "partly responsible" horse kaka is a large part of what is wrong with society today (imho). Nothing is your fault any more! "I went off on a drunken racist tirade....well yeah, but somebody else made me drunk; they're to blame too". It's bs and it's gone way, way too far.

[schteve_d]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Can someone explain if I have this correct.
The law is interesting, in my understanding, in that I am legally required to be informed that my conversation may/is being recorded, but video is different?

I can't say what it's like in Calgary but in Fort McMurray, every time I have been in a cab in the last three months or so, I was kindly informed by the driver within a minute or so of entering that the cab was equipped with a security camera. I am also near positive that there were stickers in the cab to inform me as well.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by driveway

Exactly the opposite. Your conversation in Canada can be recorded at any time. The only requirement is that the party who is doing the recording be aware of the fact that the recording is happening.

Recording in the workplace may violate a company code, but it is perfectly legal.

"You can walk around all day with a tape recorder in Canada if you want to."

Source: http://globalnews.ca/news/1300988/wa...red-in-canada/

So the person recording it has to inform themselves they are recording it? This makes no sense.

[driveway]

The law is that recording of communication is lawful, so long as one of the intended participants in the communication. either the originator or the receiver, consents to the recording.

The consenting party does not have to let the other party know they are recording, HOWEVER:

Section 191(1) of the Criminal Code provides as follows:

Every one who possesses, sells or purchases any electro-magnetic, acoustic, mechanical or other device or any component thereof knowing that the design thereof renders it primarily useful for surreptitious interception of private communications is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years.

So the recording must be made with a non-surreptitious device: an iphone, a go pro, a tape-recorder all qualify as non-surreptitious.

Source: http://www.legaltree.ca/node/908

[Thor]

Originally Posted by nik-

People are often missing out on incredible life stories by being racist dickheads to cabbies rather than talking to them.

Sooo true, when I was in a cab in my youth going home, I always insisted on sitting up front if I could so I could talk to the cabbie while my friends were in the back. I loved asking about their homeland, what brought them to Canada, just anything and so many of them had interesting stories.

[MRCboicgy]

Going back to page one sentiments about talking to Calgary cabbies brings up cool story time...

Five years ago, hopped in a cab to the airport for a vacation, and start chatting with the guy - he was from Afghanistan and came to Calgary, rather than the US or Toronto like all his friends and family because it seemed like a better place to raise his own family. He was an engineer back home and all that.
Anyway, dude asks where I'm heading, I say San Diego, and he gets really pumped, tells me he had friends/family running "the best Afghani restaurant in North America" in San Diego. When we get to the airport, he writes a message on the back of his business card (looked like in Farsi, wasn't English) and told me to go there. I was a bit skeptical, but after a few too many days of Hodad's and In N Out burger, I decided to try it out. It ended up being an amazing meal, one of the best, and the guy truly hooked me up.


tl;dr - talk to your local cabbies!

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

I do hope the funny face meant that thought was tongue in cheek.

If not: Partly responsible? For feeding him alcohol I suppose? They are not partly responsible for him being a racist a$$hole. This "partly responsible" horse kaka is a large part of what is wrong with society today (imho). Nothing is your fault any more! "I went off on a drunken racist tirade....well yeah, but somebody else made me drunk; they're to blame too". It's bs and it's gone way, way too far.

Yes I made it clear in my post my actual thoughts: he should be charged, on the fence about the firing, but now I think it was justified after thinking about it longer.

Yes you are right it was tongue in cheek. I was hoping the face would make sure it wasn't taken literally.

[Weitz]

So according to reports: Shortly after the incident he apologized and offered money to the driver (edit: Checker cabs, my mistake). Driver took the money but refused to take the apology. Police laid charges but they were later dropped due to lack of evidence. Now potentially investigating as a hate crime?

Interesting.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Weitz

So according to reports: Shortly after the incident he apologized and offered money to the driver. Driver took the money but refused to take the apology.

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-...aught-on-video

Dunn says his client has been co-operative and remorseful from the beginning, offering both an in-person and written apology to Qayyum of his own accord. Dunn says both of these were rejected, but the passenger also paid about $10,000 to Checker. The money covered the cost of repairing the security camera, which the passenger broke while leaving the taxi, and seven days of lost wages for Qayyum.

[Coach]

I'm sorry, here's money. Voila! I'm not racist anymore!