let's play a game (Dougie Hamilton contract)

[jayswin]

I guess I have to alter my prediction now that I know 7 years is the max.

7 years x $7.1

[jayswin]

I personally think we should be bracing ourselves for around $7mil/yr. I just really hope it's 7 years.

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by flameswin

I didn't really mean THE franchise defenseman, just A franchise defenseman, meaning his ceiling (and he hasn't really shown anything that suggests he's going to fall off) is that of a franchise, number 1 D-man.

And I certainly think he's shown enough already to put significant eggs in his basket. I'm not talking league max type of stuff here, I'm talking paying him comparable to a lot of other number one pairing D-man on CURRENT contracts.

This difference being that if we're willing to suck up a couple of years at $6.9mil now, we're likely looking at a really low comparative cap hit in the last six years.

When you've got guys like Subban getting $9mil/yr already, I'm looking ahead to where the NHL is headed with contracts and I'm laughing all the way to the bank at signing Hamilton to that cap hit for as long as I can.

That's what we thought about Phaneuf. And Bouwmeester.

[JohnnySkittles]

Originally Posted by kn

Explain... too big of an AAV or he's not as good as he's made out to be?

Oh no, he'll be a stud. He still has kinks to iron out and I'm not 100% sold on him being better then Brodie/top pairing Dman but the potential is definitely there.

But I can't see him signing for less then 6.5M long term, nevermind the ~5.5M for 8 years like some are expecting. Maybe a few years ago but the market has rapidly changed over just a few seasons, if we go with a long term deal I'm fully expecting 6.5-7.5M.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by dying4acup

That's what we thought about Phaneuf. And Bouwmeester.

True, but I think Hamilton is on a whole other level than those two (who I would gladly take on the Flames any day of the week had it not been for terrible contracts).

[Finger Cookin]

Let's debate whether Bouwmeester is an overrated player, or if he was woefully misused in Calgary until Hartley arrived. Go!

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

True, but I think Hamilton is on a whole other level than those two (who I would gladly take on the Flames any day of the week had it not been for terrible contracts).

Disagree - Dion coming out of 2007-2008 when signed the big 6 year 39 million dollar deal looked like the best young dman in the game. Heck people were putting him top 3 in 2003 re-drafts, ahead of guys like Weber/Suter.

Obviously he has gone down hill since but Hamilton right now is not better then 07-08 Dion.

[FlamesAddiction]

It sounds like, just reading between the lines, that the Hamilton camp was banking on the Bruins cap situation being the catalyst for an offer sheet. Now that he is on a team without that problem, it might not be a huge leverage point.

I am thinking 3 years and at around 17 million if no offersheet comes in.

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

True, but I think Hamilton is on a whole other level than those two (who I would gladly take on the Flames any day of the week had it not been for terrible contracts).

After year 3, Phaneuf had 65points and a Norris nomination.

He got a 6yr 39M contract, and he was never the same.

I'm betting the Flames play this a bit more conservatively.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Disagree - Dion coming out of 2007-2008 when signed the big 6 year 39 million dollar deal looked like the best young dman in the game. Heck people were putting him top 3 in 2003 re-drafts, ahead of guys like Weber/Suter.

Obviously he has gone down hill since but Hamilton right now is not better then 07-08 Dion.

Originally Posted by dying4acup

After year 3, Phaneuf had 65points and a Norris nomination.

He got a 6yr 39M contract, and he was never the same.

I'm betting the Flames play this a bit more conservatively.

Those are good points. I've forgotten how good Dion was in Calgary due to years of mediocrity in Toronto. Hopefully Hamilton doesn't think he's a rock star like Dion does.

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Those are good points. I've forgotten how good Dion was in Calgary due to years of mediocrity in Toronto. Hopefully Hamilton doesn't think he's a rock star like Dion does.

It's not likely. I am optimistic and I think this could could be the piece of the core that puts it over the top.

I just see no reason to throw a 6-7 year contract at a kid who hasn't played 200 games yet.

Phaneuf is just an example of a worst case scenario.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by dying4acup

After year 3, Phaneuf had 65points and a Norris nomination.

He got a 6yr 39M contract, and he was never the same.

I'm betting the Flames play this a bit more conservatively.

He was never the same because:

1) D Sutter got too greedy with getting another high profile D-man (JBo)
2) D Sutter decided to get B Sutter involved
3) Not sure what happened after a successful first half of the season where the Flames looked to make the playoffs just like the previous year. But after that Phaneuf shocker trade, the team was in dissarray until Brent Sutter was not renewed.

So, yeah, you would almost have to say it started with D Sutter getting to greedy getting JBo.

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by CSharp

He was never the same because:

1) D Sutter got too greedy with getting another high profile D-man (JBo)
2) D Sutter decided to get B Sutter involved
3) Not sure what happened after a successful first half of the season where the Flames looked to make the playoffs just like the previous year. But after that Phaneuf shocker trade, the team was in dissarray until Brent Sutter was not renewed.

So, yeah, you would almost have to say it started with D Sutter getting to greedy getting JBo.

Whatever the reason, I don't think anybody can say that was a good contract in retrospect, no matter how good Dion was at that moment.

The Flames are in that position now, with a player that hasn't played a single game for the team and hasn't stepped foot in that lockerroom.
Am I the only one interested in proceeding with caution?

[Husky]

A ton of phaneufs defensive weakness was covered upby hamrlik.

[Caged Great]

8 years 6 mil
6 years 5.5
4 years 5 mil

One of those three would fit I think.

[Owen15]

Awesome dialogue CP. Classing up the space. Have enjoyed all of your thoughtful positions.

7 x $6.5...

[kyuss275]

I see no chance that Hamilton will sign a bridge contract. Flames management knew this when they made the trade for him and i doubt they are going to play hard ball with him on term.

Guessing $6.75 million per year for 7 years. Maybe he signs a 6 year contract, but i doubt anything less than that. Also wont be surprised if he gets $7 + million per season.

[Blarg]

Looking at some contracts for defencemen coming out of their ELC, he probably would get something similar to Oliver Ekman-Larsson, $5.5 x 6 yrs.

[Gaskal]

Friedman's 30 thoughts:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/3...serves-better/

The best information I can give you is it appears the [Bruins] offered six years and $33M to Hamilton, while the response was about $2M per year higher.

So from that calculation Bruins offered $5.5M for 6 years and Dougie wanted $7.5M for 6. I think Treliving would do something like 6.75 / 6 years.

[CSharp]

Since Hamilton's an RFA come July 1st, makes no sense in just dumping money at the guy unless he gets an offer sheeted from another dooshbag GM. In that case, the Flames can match the offer or give him up for future picks. If the Flames do match, they probably would have to consider trading Gio at some point before he becomes a free agent. You overpay a player and next thing you know, there are 3 other guys on the team who thinks they should get paid more. I like to see Dougie Hamilton prove that he can play in the Western Conference before upping what he deserves. Hate to see him turn out to be another JBo.