NHL to formally start expansion process (only LV and QC submit applications)

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by troutman

Didn't he just tell Scott Oake on national television two weeks ago that the NHL has given no thought to expansion?

I think the exact phrase was "no plans at this time".

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
Daly said earliest possible date an expansion team could play is 2017-18 season.

I'm already making plans to try and get tickets to Las Vegas' inaugural home opener in 2017. Failing that, the first Flames game down there.

[FlamesAddiction]

It looks like Quebec will be applying for one:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montre...ques-1.3126745

[Resolute 14]

Interest from Vegas, Quebec, Seattle, KC, Toronto x2

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Ugh. The watering down of the NHL continues.

Player Quality is better than it's ever been, half of the players on the Flames or Oilers from the 80's would be lucky to make league today.

[hwy19man]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Interest from Vegas, Quebec, Seattle, KC, Toronto x2

Portland is in that list too.

[OutOfTheCube]

So... how big could they potentially expand? If they get really good offers/plans from four different groups in Vegas, KC, Toronto, and Quebec, do they really turn down $1 billion and just do two teams on the idea of just moving some crappy teams later?

[Tyler]

Imagine you're an NHL owner and you have 5 cities willing to pay $5B in total in expansion fees. How do you not say no to ALL of them?

$33M or $165M lumpsum? *Drools*

[underGRADFlame]

Originally Posted by Tyler

Imagine you're an NHL owner and you have 5 cities willing to pay $5B in total in expansion fees. How do you not say no to ALL of them?

$33M or $165M lumpsum? *Drools*

$5B? that would be 10 teams at $500M

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by underGRADFlame

$5B? that would be 10 teams at $500M

They said the bidding process could START at $500M and go UP TO $1B.

The Clippers really set the bar on franchise values

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Tyler

They said the bidding process could START at $500M and go UP TO $1B.

The Clippers really set the bar on franchise values

I don't understand the point your're making with all caps. Have you considered using a larger font?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Tyler

The Clippers really set the bar on franchise values

No, the Clippers set the bar on NBA franchises. It would be foolish to extrapolate that into a statement about another league entirely.

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

I don't understand the point your're making with all caps. Have you considered using a larger font?

No

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

No, the Clippers set the bar on NBA franchises. It would be foolish to extrapolate that into a statement about another league entirely.

Check the Forbes valuations for the NHL after the Clippers announcement and tell me that there's no correlation

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Tyler

Check the Forbes valuations for the NHL after the Clippers announcement and tell me that there's no correlation

The team was sold just last year, so the only valuation we have post-Clippers sale is 2014.


In 2014, the average value of an NHL team rose from $413 million to $490 million, an 18.6% increase.

In 2013, that $413m was an increase on the previous year's $282m, a 46.4% increase.

In 2012, $282m was an increase from $240m in 2011, a 17.5% increase.

In 2011, that $240m was an increase from $228m, a 5% increase.


There is obviously a strong correlation between the 2012-13 lockout and team values, but the increase post-Sterling is roughly equivalent to that of the season heading into the lockout. So my only guess is that you mis-remembered when Sterling's rant came out (April 2014) and assumed this all happened one year earlier.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Quebecor - the company rumoured to be the ownership group is worth 3.9 billion dollars. They could afford if they want to.

I thought they were worth about 10B, but regardless, Quebecor is ready, willing and capable.
Q city is a larger metro area that Winnipeg.
They would sell the joint out, easily.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by #-3

Player Quality is better than it's ever been, half of the players on the Flames or Oilers from the 80's would be lucky to make league today.

Are there teams currently in the league that have 1st or 2nd line players playing 3rd and 4th line roles? Maybe 1 or 2?

So now instead of teams have 1st and 2nd line skilled players, you will have 1 line of skilled players and a bunch of current 3rd and 4th liners filling out the bottom 9 of a roster. Watered down.

How many teams don't have a quality top 6 in comparison to the top teams already?

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The team was sold just last year, so the only valuation we have post-Clippers sale is 2014.


In 2014, the average value of an NHL team rose from $413 million to $490 million, an 18.6% increase.

In 2013, that $413m was an increase on the previous year's $282m, a 46.4% increase.

In 2012, $282m was an increase from $240m in 2011, a 17.5% increase.

In 2011, that $240m was an increase from $228m, a 5% increase.


There is obviously a strong correlation between the 2012-13 lockout and team values, but the increase post-Sterling is roughly equivalent to that of the season heading into the lockout. So my only guess is that you mis-remembered when Sterling's rant came out (April 2014) and assumed this all happened one year earlier.

August 12, 2014 - Clippers sold to Steve Balmer for $2B:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybro...-now-official/


June 4, 2014 -Gary Bettman says he has NHL teams worth more than Clippers

http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...-Clippers.html


November 25, 2014 - Forbes NHL valuations:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozan...ms-in-the-nhl/

For the first time the league has three teams worth at least ten digits

[Senator Clay Davis]

The Clippers valuation is a bit tricky to use as a baseline. They have a new local TV deal in the works and most believe it will be worth at least $2 billion (the Lakers for comparison got $5 billion for a 25 year deal). Because obviously it's LA, that would be the driver for the cost of the deal. No new NHL team will be able to command anything close to that. Plus the Clippers had a bidding war between 3 extremely rich prospective ownership groups which is also unlikely to occur here , except maybe Toronto 2. And Toronto 2 will have to pay out a lot of money up front to the Leafs and Sabres for diluting their markets.

[polak]

I almost died going to Vancouver for the weekend to see a game with my buddies this year.

We're so f***ed if Calgary every plays Vegas in the playoffs.