2015 CP Mock Draft - Flames at #15

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Granlund + Reinhart + 45th overall for 21st overall



53rd overall + 21st overall + 15th overall for NJ's 6th overall

Draft Mikko Rantenen



Gaudreau - Monahan - Hudler
Bouma - Backlund - Colborne
Ferland - Bennett - Rantenen
Shore - Stajan - Jooris

drool

That seems like a lot of assets to get to move up for 6. Granlund is a pretty good young player, 2 of our seconds, our first and Reinhart to move up 9 spots. On,y worth it for a player like Hanifin who I doubt drops to 6

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Granlund + Reinhart + 45th overall for 21st overall



53rd overall + 21st overall + 15th overall for NJ's 6th overall

Draft Mikko Rantenen



Gaudreau - Monahan - Hudler
Bouma - Backlund - Colborne
Ferland - Bennett - Rantenen
Shore - Stajan - Jooris

drool

My trade down scenario might be unlikely.

That being said when Murray says he wants to trade up from 21 or trade for a young player, he doesn't mean he is going to trade it for a couple of prospects and a pick. He wants quality not quantity, that is the whole purpose of trading up.

IMO Reinhart + Granlund + a mid 2nd is not what he is looking for.

[Caged Great]

I'd consider moving down to 21 if there are 5 or 6 good players available at 15 still with none of the top 12 on the board. If Svechnikov, Zboril, Roy, Chabot, Harkins, Sprong, and Kylington are on the board at 15, to me there isn't really any difference between them in the potential department so it would make me consider sliding down.

If you can add #31 to the fold, moving up from say 53, then it's really a great trade as you'll be getting a significantly better player @31 than 53 and not really losing much if anything by moving down to 21.

With how things are, it might be possible to get 2 of those 7 players instead of only 1 by moving down to 21. Both Sprong and Kylington could slip out of the first round and if we're at 31, we're primed to get one of them.

[The Fonz]

I would like a run off with the top 2 of Svechnikov and Chabot.

[Delthefunky]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

My trade down scenario might be unlikely.

That being said when Murray says he wants to trade up from 21 or trade for a young player, he doesn't mean he is going to trade it for a couple of prospects and a pick. He wants quality not quantity, that is the whole purpose of trading up.

IMO Reinhart + Granlund + a mid 2nd is not what he is looking for.

I'd do that trade!

[herashak]

if we were to give up a ton for 6th i'd hope we pick provorov

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I'd consider moving down to 21 if there are 5 or 6 good players available at 15 still with none of the top 12 on the board. If Svechnikov, Zboril, Roy, Chabot, Harkins, Sprong, and Kylington are on the board at 15, to me there isn't really any difference between them in the potential department so it would make me consider sliding down.

If you can add #31 to the fold, moving up from say 53, then it's really a great trade as you'll be getting a significantly better player @31 than 53 and not really losing much if anything by moving down to 21.

With how things are, it might be possible to get 2 of those 7 players instead of only 1 by moving down to 21. Both Sprong and Kylington could slip out of the first round and if we're at 31, we're primed to get one of them.

Perhaps I am mistaken or confused ..but buffalo is picking 31 st.
Why would they do that?

[chubeyr1]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I'd consider moving down to 21 if there are 5 or 6 good players available at 15 still with none of the top 12 on the board. If Svechnikov, Zboril, Roy, Chabot, Harkins, Sprong, and Kylington are on the board at 15, to me there isn't really any difference between them in the potential department so it would make me consider sliding down.

If you can add #31 to the fold, moving up from say 53, then it's really a great trade as you'll be getting a significantly better player @31 than 53 and not really losing much if anything by moving down to 21.

With how things are, it might be possible to get 2 of those 7 players instead of only 1 by moving down to 21. Both Sprong and Kylington could slip out of the first round and if we're at 31, we're primed to get one of them.

Drink much? Or are you a strung out hyper nut? Dude seriously?

I have a few beverages in me tonight! This though? Go to bed! Get up tomorrow and repost some great stuff.

I respect you as a poster. Clear your head!

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by timbit

Perhaps I am mistaken or confused ..but buffalo is picking 31 st.
Why would they do that?

15 + 53 for 21 + 31.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

Drink much? Or are you a strung out hyper nut? Dude seriously?

I have a few beverages in me tonight! This though? Go to bed! Get up tomorrow and repost some great stuff.

I respect you as a poster. Clear your head!

Actually, I rarely drink and my limit is only 2 so it wasn't that. I sometimes hit the submit post button before re-reading it and yes, that was a mess.

That said, if there are a large quantity of good players available at 15 it might make sense to trade down. A trade of 15 + 53 for 21 + 31 would likely work for both the Sabres and Flames in the scenario where a guy like Barzal or Meier wasn't still on the table at 15 when the Flames go up to pick.

After watching all the players involved, there is a huge group from 13 through about 25 that are very comparable and it would be easier than normal to justify putting them in almost any order. A guy like Brandon Carlo could easily go 13th if the Kings want a big D-man that needs time to develop, but he could also fall to 25 if teams prioritize other things. Because it's such a level playing field, it could make sense to upgrade one of the 2nd's to try and get two quality players.

There are quite a few quality players like Jacob Larsson, Gabriel Carlsson, Olivier Kylington, Daniel Sprong, Joel Eriksson-Ek, and Denis Guryanov available that might slide to 31 that probably wouldn't fall to 45, and certainly not 53.

It all depends on what happens through the first 12-14 picks of the draft. Some teams do something stupid early on (Like the Rangers taking McIlrath instead of Fowler in 2010), so it might be possible that one of the better players could fall to 15. It has happened before, and if that's the case I wouldn't trade down at all. However, if things go more like they should then the next class of players are very close.

[Caged Great]

I didn't know that Buffalo had pick #51.

That'd be fun if we moved 15 for 21 and 51. We'd have picks 45, 51, 52, and 53.

[Red Menace]

does Fetisov's call for a ban on young Russians in the NHL change anyone's mind about drafting a Russian?

[Dan403]

Don't move up. Don't move down.

Use the picks we have. We're set to get a bunch of good players.

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by Red Menace

does Fetisov's call for a ban on young Russians in the NHL change anyone's mind about drafting a Russian?

Well, first, it hasn't been imposed yet. Second, it would be a ban on moving to North America, not playing in the NHL, and isn't he already here?

So, no.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Red Menace

does Fetisov's call for a ban on young Russians in the NHL change anyone's mind about drafting a Russian?

Not really.

Svechnikov has been playing in the CHL, learned the English language and said it himself that he wants to play in the NHL.

[chris_yk]

Voted Kylington from the options available, but would like to see the Flames take Daniel Sprong. I saw him play in Charlottetown in October and he was everywhere - strong on the puck, quick and a hard shot. We need RW's, and I'm sure the Flames got a good view of him with him being on MacDonald's team.

[Robbob]

Don't know a lot about Sprong. Is he the equivalent of this years Ho-Sang? High end talent but sliding for various other issues?

[Sylvanfan]

I just get a gut feeling for some reason that Thomas Chabot could end up being a bit more than just a 2nd pairing guy. Intuitively I just feel like around this spot in previous drafts teams have got guys like Brent Seabrook, Eric Karlsson, Ryan McDonagh, Kevin Shattenkirk. Players who eventually became more than that 2nd pairing defenceman.

[Vulcan]

The only way I draft a Russian in the first round is if he's NHL ready in a year or two at the most. Spending two more years in junior and expecting him to spend another possible three years in the minors before he's ready would probably send him back to the KHL where he can earn more money.

[Canada 02]

Jansen Harkins is the son of former Flame 2nd rounder Todd Harkins