If you were in Treliving's shoes would you use or threaten to use an offer sheet?

[Philly06Cup]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

You took the time to list the teams, but then not list the players? Boo.Who were the other players?

Edmonton: Penner, Vanek
Philadelphia: Weber, Kesler
Vancouver: Backes
St. Louis: Steve Bernier
San Jose: Hjalmarsson
Calgary: O'Reilly

I only know three off the top of my head.

EDIT: Bolded players I added after googling.

The Philly-Kesler offer sheet was amazing. Kesler was a relative nobody at the time, and Philly offered 1.9M/yr. Just below the next compensation threshold. Vancouver was right up to the cap and did not make signing Kesler a priority. It was a no-lose situation for Philly at that price, term, compensation (2nd rd pick).

[T@T]

List I would put in an offer sheet forjust for fun)

Vladimir Tarasenko(23), RW, 7 year 7.0m average (cost 1st/2nd/3rd)
Alex Galchenyuk(21), C, 7 year 5m average (cost 1st/3rd)
Tyler Toffoli(23), RW. 7 year 4.8m average (cost 1st/3rd)
Mikkel Boedker(25), RW/LW, 6 year 4.7m average (cost 1st/3rd)
Jakob Silfverberg(24), RW. 7 year 4.5m average (cost 1st/3rd)
Brett Connolly(23),RW, 3 years 1.825m average (cost 3rd)
Beau Bennett(23),RW, 3 years 1.825m average (cost 3rd)

Dougie Hamilton(21),RD,7 year 7.142m average (cost 1st/2nd/3rd)
David Rundblad(24),RD, 4 year 3.65m average (cost 2nd)
Eric Gelinas(24), LD, 4 years 3.33m average (cost 2nd)
Michael Del Zotto(24), RD, 3 year 1.825m average (cost 3rd)

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by T@T

List I would put in an offer sheet forjust for fun)

Vladimir Tarasenko(23), RW, 7 year 7.0m average (4 first round picks)
Alex Galchenyuk(21), C, 7 year 5m average (cost 1st/2nd/3rd)
Tyler Toffoli(23), RW. 7 year 4.8m average (cost 1st/2nd/3rd)
Mikkel Boedker(25), RW/LW, 6 year 4.7m average (cost 1st/2nd/3rd)
Jakob Silfverberg(24), RW. 7 year 4.5m average (cost 1st/2nd/3rd)
Brett Connolly(23),RW, 3 years 1.825m average (cost 3rd)
Beau Bennett(23),RW, 3 years 1.825m average (cost 3rd)

Dougie Hamilton(21),RD,7 year 7.142m average (4 1st round picks)
David Rundblad(24),RD, 4 year 3.65m average (cost 2nd)
Eric Gelinas(24), LD, 4 years 3.33m average (cost 2nd)
Michael Del Zotto(24), RD, 3 year 1.825m average (cost 3rd)

fixed those compensations for you. For 5+ year deals you take the total $ and divide by 5, to calculate the average value for compensation purposes

[Poe969]

I don't think paying 4 first round picks is worth it for any of these players. The most I'd do would be a 1st, 2nd and 3rd and that would have to be for someone like Hamilton as he's going to be a #1 defensemen that you build a team around.

[saillias]

I'd do the full price for Tarasenko. I'd give up the O'Reilly price for Saad or Toffoli. I don't think I really want Hamilton at what he would cost. He's no Chara or Weber.

[Murph]

Originally Posted by saillias

I'd do the full price for Tarasenko. I'd give up the O'Reilly price for Saad or Toffoli. I don't think I really want Hamilton at what he would cost. He's no Chara or Weber.

Not so sure on Hamliton. I think he might be the real deal, and the Bruins are in a really tight spot. Haven't seen it mentioned, but the Bruins have to sign 6 players for next year and only have $7M in cap space to do it (assuming the $71.5M salary cap that Bettman predicted). If Hamilton signed a $7M offer sheet (1st, 2nd, 3rd compensation) and the Burins matched, they'd have to trade away ~$3.5M in salary just to sign the remaining 6 players they'd need to league minimum deals.

Translation? Hamilton can be had for a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick. Personally, I think he's worth it, and we can fit him into our salary structure going forward.

[united]

After a quick browse, I think there is four players I would give consideration to...of course weighing the value of next year's draft picks given the top three picks are lottery assigned. Three players everyone talks about and Jimmy Hayes who could be a sleeper.

Vladimir Tarasenko
23-year-old left-shooting right winder coming off a 37-goal, 73-point season. Everyone knows what this kid is already capable of! I like that he's already big at 6'0, 220, with room to fill out a bit more. The Blues have $12 million to sign 4 forwards, 3 defencemen, and a backup goalie. Unfortunately you are probably looking at two first-round picks+a second-round pick+a third-round pick or if you went short-term 1st+2nd+3rd. Added bonus is potentially hampering a conference rival a bit cap wise.

Tyler Toffoli
23-year-old right-shooting right winger coming off a 23-goal, 49-point season. He fills a big organizational need and seems to get better every time I see him. The Kings have $9 million to sign 4 forwards, 2 defencemen, and a backup goalie, and are our direct divisional rivals. Getting Toffoli fills a big organizational hole and his ceiling appears to be really high. If you miss him, at least you can hamper a direct rival's cap situation a bit more. Of course the Voynov situation is still unknown. And then there's Mike Richards. Cost is probably a first-round pick+second-round pick+third-round pick.

Dougie Hamilton
21-year-old right-shooting defenceman coming off a 10-goal, 42-point season. He's already 6'5 and is expected to fill out around 230 pounds. He has the rare combination of a giant who can skate, shoot, and defend competently...and the bonus of shooting right-handed. Like Toffoli, the ceiling for Hamilton is really high. The Bruins have $5.5 million to sign 3 forwards, 3 defencemen, and a backup goalie. Like Tarasenko, you would probably have to settle with losing 2x1sts+2nd+3rd or perhaps if you went shorter term 1st+2nd+3rd.

Jimmy Hayes
A less popular name, but he could be a fit. A bit older at 25, but he's a right-shooting right winger coming off a 19-goal, 35-point season. Where I think he fits is the Flames' claims they want to get bigger: he's 6'6, 220. Now he doesn't exactly play mean or "truculent", so maybe just being big isn't enough for what Treliving/Burke want, but he definitely fits the need for a right winger and a bigger body up front. The Panthers have more cap space than the Kings or Bruins, with $17 million to sign 4 forwards and 2 defencemen, but I presume they have an internal cap lower than the true salary cap. If you get him for a second-round pick maybe you think about it. Probably not anything more.

[Bs&Cs]

Originally Posted by Murph

Not so sure on Hamliton. I think he might be the real deal, and the Bruins are in a really tight spot. Haven't seen it mentioned, but the Bruins have to sign 6 players for next year and only have $7M in cap space to do it (assuming the $71.5M salary cap that Bettman predicted). If Hamilton signed a $7M offer sheet (1st, 2nd, 3rd compensation) and the Burins matched, they'd have to trade away ~$3.5M in salary just to sign the remaining 6 players they'd need to league minimum deals.

Translation? Hamilton can be had for a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick. Personally, I think he's worth it, and we can fit him into our salary structure going forward.

The Bruins would have no issue shipping Kelly, Smith, Eriksson, Seidenberg hell even Lucic off if it keeps Dougie in black and gold. The Bruins will match any offer for Hamilton, 100% guaranteed. The Bruins need a backup goalie and to resign three RFAs which includes Hamilton, the other two being Spooner and Connolly which will be cheap. They need to shed cap through trade if they want to add a scoring winger or a defencemen. If not they have quite a few kids coming up the ranks to plug whatever holes there might be if there's no money left. And if there are cap casualties it definitely won't be Hamilton I can tell you that.

[sureLoss]

Always thought there was something behind the scenes between Jimmy Hayes and Brian Burke.

Burke traded him for a 2010 2nd round pick which he then used to draft a smaller player in Brad Ross.

This was during the time he wanted truculence and size added to the Leafs. It is also pretty rare to see a prospect traded for a pick 2 years after he was drafted.

[Macho0978]

I would consider one for sure. I would trade our first in next draft for Hamilton or Tarasenko, not sure who wouldn't. Even if we miss the playoffs they have to be in the league of the guys taken in the top 5 if not as good as Austin Matthews. But I can't see us not being a threat to make the playoffs annually and eventually a cup contender adding guys like Tarasenko or Hamilton

I would also consider a lower end offer sheet too. Saad for a 2nd round pick could be realistic. If Chicago matches you could put them in a tougher spot then they already are by giving Saad a little bit more then they would have to give him on a 1 year deal.

[Robbob]

Giving Saad a poison pill contract like O'Reily is what I would be tempted to do. First year 2.5 and the second year 4.5. Make it so if they keep him the qualifying offer is escalated. It would cost us a 2nd

[AcGold]

Hamilton on the Flames would be unreal. Under Hartley's tutelage the sky is the limit for him, we'd be set for a decade in that spot.

[Daradon]

I know a few offer sheet and like practices that have failed, can anyone tell me of one they thought was a slam dunk?

I'm asking honestly, cause there's got to be one or two, right?

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Daradon

I know a few offer sheet and like practices that have failed, can anyone tell me of one they thought was a slam dunk?

I'm asking honestly, cause there's got to be one or two, right?

Scott Stevens

[Robbob]

Al MacInnis was also an offer sheet from the blues and then they worked out the trade for Housley and picks

[Robbob]

The more I think about it, screw we are due for a defenseman after losing MacInnis to an offer sheet. Looking up STL offer sheet, the 3.5 million over 4 years was enough to make MacInnis the 4th highest paid dman in the league at the time.

[dammage79]

The more I look at the RFA landscape this off season the more I think teams like Dallas, Winnipeg, NYI, Panthers, Caps and Flames can add a good "vet" on a cheap trade.

More so Dallas, Florida and the Islanders than anyone else. The Stars will be motivated to add a guy like Sharp or Chara to get them over the hump and the Isles have incredible depth in their prospect pool to spend a bit on adding a guy like Sharp.

Not to mention Detroit too. They can re-tool on the fly as well.

Offer sheets may be moot this year.

[Sylvanfan]

Yeah, I think Boston dumps a guy like Seidenberg for a 7th before they let Dougie Hamilton get away, unless they're getting a real sweetheart of an offer.

No doubt Boston and the Rangers are two teams who seem to be in a bit of a cap bind, but I suspect they have a few other guys that they're willing to move on from before they let Hamilton go. No question though Hamilton is a guy that I'd be willing to make a pretty strong offer if they were willing though.

[Murph]

Originally Posted by Murph

Not so sure on Hamliton. I think he might be the real deal, and the Bruins are in a really tight spot. Haven't seen it mentioned, but the Bruins have to sign 6 players for next year and only have $7M in cap space to do it (assuming the $71.5M salary cap that Bettman predicted). If Hamilton signed a $7M offer sheet (1st, 2nd, 3rd compensation) and the Burins matched, they'd have to trade away ~$3.5M in salary just to sign the remaining 6 players they'd need to league minimum deals.

Translation? Hamilton can be had for a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick. Personally, I think he's worth it, and we can fit him into our salary structure going forward.

I hate to quote myself, but I used General Fanager when I did the math and I made a mistake. The cap hit calculated by the site includes Marc Savard's $4M+. Seems the Bruins aren't as tight up against it as I thought.

[sureLoss]

So looks like the answer is yes.