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Old 02-08-2016, 04:33 PM   #81
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^ Inevitable response:

"Its not my fault that you dont want to educate yourself by watching a 2 hour video. I've posted the evidence, you choose not to see. One can only lead the horse to water, but cant make it drink... blah blah blah"

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Yup. That and "I can't help it if you don't believe my sources, like some random video and Wikipedia and websites I have never heard of and 'RT that has its biases but its anti-american stuff' is good..."

Ugh. How is wikipedia a reliable source? I TA'ed during my Masters, and I would deduct marks off of people any time they cited it...

One of the best rebuttals is whoever posted a bit up of "oh my goodness a minor something missing in 800 pounds of official documents/review...that means big, big problems and issues!! See, just look at my wiki page and this random video....what? you mean you have questions about the big gaping holes in that stuff? You're wrong! You can't question my sources, but I can question anything about yours!! Big media government lover...!!".

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Old 02-08-2016, 04:36 PM   #82
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Just watch the 45 minute video on project hammer and connections to the Bush's. It's stuff you haven't seen before. I'm on the truth wagon no matter what side of the road it's on.
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Sorry, a bit over the top, but....really? Its good to be critical, but....this insane way over the top critical....
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Old 02-08-2016, 04:38 PM   #84
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....like some random video..."

.....See, just look at my wiki page and this random video....what?

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Just watch the 45 minute video on project hammer and connections to the Bush's. It's stuff you haven't seen before. I'm on the truth wagon no matter what side of the road it's on.
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The guys flying the planes were, according to the evil government in cahoots with the Saudis, Saudis and Yemanis, what is the point of the conspiricy, to invade Saudi Arabia?

There is no point to a conspiricy to invade Iraq if the guys flying the plane arnt effing Iraqis! it makes no sense at all.

If it was a conspiricy it would be, at the very least, consistent.
Saudi Arabia and Iraq aren't friendly neighbors. They hate each other. So you bring up a fantastic question. If it the pilots were from Saudi Arabia and Bin Ladin lived in Afghanistan, why invade Iraq? However if Saudi Arabia and the Us were working together, it makes perfect sense. We'll give you the spooky looking radicalized Arabs and you blame in our stupid neighbors.
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Saudi Arabia and Iraq aren't friendly neighbors. They hate each other. So you bring up a fantastic question. If it the pilots were from Saudi Arabia and Bin Ladin lived in Afghanistan, why invade Iraq? However if Saudi Arabia and the Us were working together, it makes perfect sense. We'll give you the spooky looking radicalized Arabs and you blame in our stupid neighbors.
It doesn't make any sense, you don't think the CIA can't create Iraqi papers to prove a connection to Saddam?

If you are inventing evidence you point it at the target you want to attack, even if the guys were Saudis you would still tell everyone they were Iraqi, whack out some Iraqi passports to scatter around.

The only thing that 9/11 could be a conspiricy to do is attack Saudi Arabia or the Yeman, that's it, nothing else as the perps were from there.
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Just watch the 45 minute video on project hammer and connections to the Bush's. It's stuff you haven't seen before. I'm on the truth wagon no matter what side of the road it's on.
I'm not going to watch the video because I've read the conspiracy theories about Project Hammer including the theft of gold that was stored in the basement of the World Trade Center

The links of Project Hammer to the so called Vulcans under Bush and then it links it to the whole ridiculous Rothchild family conspiracy theory that's one of the biggest pieces of fiction that any conspiracy theorist brings up.

I don't doubt that Project Hammer existed, it was created to destabilize the Soviet Union in the late 80's. But the link to 9/11 where 9/11 was used to cover up securities fraud and the moving of a billion dollars in gold from underneath the World Trade Center is tenuous and not proven.

Am I warm on where you're going with this.

And yes Project Hammer was established by George Senior.

And as far as the Project Northwood thing, just because there was a plan from the 60's in the vault doesn't mean that it was used by the evil government to pull off the conspiracy of the history of man kind. Until someone can whistle blow and prove that it was signed off on and used, its evidence of nothing.

Now lets think about logistics and personal, outside of the fact that the controlled demolitions theory and drone planes and all of that other stuff has been spindled and tossed to the side.


Ok so you need to wire the World Trade Centers with super thermite (BTW the use of thermite as a cutting agent was completely debunked so Super Thermite was invented but never proven) You'd probably need a couple of hundred dudes to do this site unseen, when did they wire the building and how did nobody among the thousands of people working there not see it?

Ok great. Then you need special forces guys to seize the planes that were suppossedly used, they would then transport the passengers somewhere and either imprison them or kill them, so you'd probably need at least a couple of dozen special forces guys on the ground plus get sign off from the command structure.

Ok, you'd need to get these drones created, that'd take some guys right? to both design them manufacture them and fly them

On top of that you'd need guys to plant evidence at the pentagon site and have no one notice that something was strange in the moments after the missile hit during a work day. So a few hundred guys throwing jet parts around and they're too stupid to plant the right ones right.

Of course you'd need to have assets controlling things at Norad and ignoring planes, and the CIA. Plus the Bush Cabinet because they're evil.

So we're probably at several thousand people who have effectively murdered thousands including the innocent passengers on the planes that were either crashed into the building or taken to Fema camps and either imprisoned or executed or paid off.

And nobody has stepped forward.

sounds like a Tom Clancy novel to me.
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Ok, so instead of looking at and debunking all the proposed conspiracies....

Why do we not address what we know; that our good buddies the Saudis financed the attack, and we still hold hands with them when we go for walks in our lush gardens.

Our response, instead of kicking Saudi Arabias ass so far up around their ears they'd have to take their shirt off to ****, we invent some BS about WMDs in Iraq.

So now, we have the Saudis committing to front funds to commit the pretext, and the US foots the bill plus the soldiers lives needed to go in and oust a yanno... Like really bad guy in Saddam, when it turns out he had NOTHING to do with anything.

Mission accomplished: New puppet in power, our strong ties with OPEC errrr the Saudis are still strong and... Profit! Now anyone who questions the official narrative is an #######, and we should defer all trust to the govt. Doing otherwise would be a gaffe in submission to authority, and we can't have that now can we?

Just forget about it, put your head down and keep going to work serfs.
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"Its not my fault that you dont want to educate yourself by watching a 2 hour video. I've posted the evidence, you choose not to see. One can only lead the horse to water, but cant make it drink... blah blah blah"

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If I'm going to spend two hours on a fantasy, I'd rather watch the Lord of the Rings.
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The thing no one ever explains is where are the people on the flights went. Did the CIA take them somewhere else? How did they unload the planes without anyone seeing? or did they crash them out in the ocean to hide them, and then, uh, use other planes to crash into the buildings? It's a big ol' hole in the theory that I don't think anyone has provided a reasonable explanation to.
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Ok, so instead of looking at and debunking all the proposed conspiracies....

Why do we not address what we know; that our good buddies the Saudis financed the attack, and we still hold hands with them when we go for walks in our lush gardens.

Our response, instead of kicking Saudi Arabias ass so far up around their ears they'd have to take their shirt off to ****, we invent some BS about WMDs in Iraq.

So now, we have the Saudis committing to front funds to commit the pretext, and the US foots the bill plus the soldiers lives needed to go in and oust a yanno... Like really bad guy in Saddam, when it turns out he had NOTHING to do with anything.

Mission accomplished: New puppet in power, our strong ties with OPEC errrr the Saudis are still strong and... Profit! Now anyone who questions the official narrative is an #######, and we should defer all trust to the govt. Doing otherwise would be a gaffe in submission to authority, and we can't have that now can we?

Just forget about it, put your head down and keep going to work serfs.
I think it was more the Bush administration taking advantage of the situation rather than creating it. Well they did create the phony WMD after the fact but that didn't have anything to do with 9/11.
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I think Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein is a very interesting book that kind of explain government actions around these types of events.

They don't create the chaos but in the wake of chaos while people are focused on the irrevelavent they move in and structurally change things to give themselves more profit and power.
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