Ramo vs Hiller | Who Stays?

[FlamesAddiction]

Depends on money and term, but I think we should re-sign Ramo and then look at flipping Hiller in a trade.

Not that I have anything against Hiller. He was a really important player for us this season and if we went forward with him, that would be cool too.

The way I look at it though is that Ramo is younger and probably just as effective. From a pure asset management perspective, I wouldn't want to lose him for nothing, and since "sign and trades" are rare and often frowned upon by the player community, it would make sense to flip Hiller instead if Ramo re-signs.

Plus, if Ortio is back-up next season, it might be an easier transition if he has a fellow Finn to hit with the birch branches and eat pancakes with (joking). With Gillies in the fold now too, we might have a Hiller-esque goalie in the fold. I am a big fan of 1A/1B situations where the 2 goalies play different techniques. Of course, we might not se Gillies in the NHL next season, so that is maybe not a present concern.

[Imported_Aussie]

Ramo may not give the flames a choice - he is UFA remember.
That is the scenario I see happening.
The flames make a pitch to Ramo, but he elects to go to UFA. He gets a better offer and leaves. Hiller with Ortio next year
I am truly torn between the two, neither fills me with confidence. Ramo has higher highs, but much lower lows. Hiller is a bit more stable. Both have issues with rebound control though, especially Hiller.
In an ideal world, keep Ramo and trade Hiller, but I don't see that happening

[heep223]

Originally Posted by codynw

It's too risky. Losing Ortio for nothing would be terrible. And Markstrom cleared waivers because he was really bad in his few NHL stints. Ortio was quite good when he was up this year. I don't see any way Ortio clears waivers.

Agreed. Ortio is going to get his chance next season and one of Hiller or Ramo will be gone.

[killer_carlson]

Go with the Finns

[Erick Estrada]

[QUOTE=GioforPM;5295891]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Good question because both goalies play a completely different style, yet put up similar numbers.

Hiller is the kind of goalie that plays deep in his net. He's a blocker, not a shot absorber. Reminds me a lot of Giguere. Many more rebounds, often makes the first save and due to his style of playing deep, he has his eye on the back door play. Can usually stop those type of passes.

Ramo is much more aggressive. Plays far out of his net and has better rebound control. More atheletic and plays the Finnish style of absoring rebounds and deflecting them to corners. Plays aggressive and out of the paint, so if you get him moving side to side you can score on him. I wouldn't say he reminds me of Kipper. More like a Niemi.

Both guys are prone to the occasional weak goal. I found Ramo to be more likely to steal a game. It depends on what kind of style the team wants to play. This year we saw a style that saw the Flames collapse down and block the passing/shooting lanes. I personally think if Hartley wants the team to play that way, Ramo suits that style much more. I found Ramo to fight through traffic more often, rather then Hiller who was more of a get in position type guy and hope it hits you. If only we had a hybrid goalie who could blend both their styles.

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The guys coming up are just that I think.

I agree with your comments about style. I must say, though, Ramo's style scares the hell out of me when he slides way out of the net (twice at least last night).

Ducks were exploiting that coming down the side getting him to overcommit and either wrap around or throw the puck in front of the net. Twice last night it nearly resulted in goals and even the winner he was a little out of position from over committing. Still he had a fantastic game as you couldn't ask for much more from your goaltender.

[Gaskal]

I see this as more of a matter of deprecating/appreciating assets.

Hiller is the deprecating asset. His stats are still good and his performance still consistent enough to merit being a starter in the NHL. However, I'd say that with his age and his career trajectory his performance is going to start taking dips sooner than later. It makes more sense to move him out before that starts happening.

Ramo on the other hand still has upside left, and makes less on top of being younger as well. His value rose sharply after this round's playoff performance as well.

So re-sign Ramo, trade Hiller at the draft, and bring Ortio up next season. Gillies can start in AHL.

[Parallex]

What I'd rather see: Ramo resigned, Hiller Traded.
What I think we will see: Hiller kept, Ramo allowed to walk.

[Yamer]

This is a tough question because I like and am tentative of both for different reasons. Hiller's contract plays in his favor, but I think there is more to work with concerning Ramo's style and game. There are times when Ramo is out there that he really reminds me of Kipper, but like others have said he has a tendency to over-commit and lose his net. Even so, I believe with some work he can hone those struggles and use his incredible lateral mobility to become a solid starter in the league.

I think they both have equal value around the league...maybe Hiller with a slight edge given his experience and history in the NHL. If I had to choose it would be to trade Hiller for some assets and sign Ramo to a 3+ year contract. Bring Ortio up as a back-up, get him into at least 20 games as a starter in 2015-2016, and start developing Gillies for his eventual ascension to the #1.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Husky

I think ramo will be looking to sign as a true #1. Not a 1a/b split.

He will look for it but I doubt any NHL team would sign him thinking he's a true #1. Any team signing him to more than a 2 year deal would be taking a big risk.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Husky

I think ramo will be looking to sign as a true #1. Not a 1a/b split.

Originally Posted by Fire

He will look for it but I doubt any NHL team would sign him thinking he's a true #1. Any team signing him to more than a 2 year deal would be taking a big risk.

Agreed, and the idea of a true starting goalie seemed to go out of style this year. Even Cory Crawford was sharing starting duties in Chicago.

On top of that, I think the team that probably thinks the highest of Ramo is probably the Flames... around the NHL, I think Hiller is probably more highly thought of.

[Buck Murdock]

Sign Ramo, deal Hiller.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I dunno, I suspect that this is the only market in which Ramo would be the starter. If they keep him, they will deal Hiller and the job is his. But I can't see another market signing him as a starter - at best, I could see someone picking him up as a backup slash insurance policy. For example, Minnesota might want him in the event that they've given up on Kuemper, and want some peace of mind in case Dubnyk turns back into a pumpkin. Or the opposite in Carolina: insurance against Khudobin failing to figure his sh** out.

[Flame19,289]

I expect that San Jose would be interested in Ramo if he were to hit the UFA market on July 1. It might be in the Flames best interest to re-sign Ramo to keep him from going to a divisional rival.

In the end, I'm comfortable with Hiller, Ramo, and Ortio.... I'm not convinced that a tandem of any two of them is any better/worse than another.

I think I'm more intrigued to see what Vancouver does with their goaltending next season.

[mikephoen]

I like both, but don't love either.

My first choice would be to sign Ramo for 2 years at a reasonable price and trade Hiller, but that's unlikely I think. My bet is that Ramo signs as a UFA somewhere else.

Goalies are voodoo anyway.

[GioforPM]

If Ramo is going UFA, it's worth it for Treliving to negotiate a Jaybo type trade of his negotiating rights to an eastern team if he can. Not even for the late round pick he'd get - more for getting him away from a rival. He'd be an upgrade over either guy in Edmonton now.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I dunno, I suspect that this is the only market in which Ramo would be the starter. If they keep him, they will deal Hiller and the job is his. But I can't see another market signing him as a starter - at best, I could see someone picking him up as a backup slash insurance policy.

Never underestimate the Oilers. I could easily see Ramo being given the starter position over Fasth/Scrivens.

[GioforPM]

Ramo's style doesn't really suit the Oiler defence, because they don't pick up the open man, and Ramo commits heavily to the shooter. But what goalie's style does I guess.

[Komskies]

Let's not forget that Ramo is 4.5 years younger than Hiller. I'd rather take the 29 year old than the 33 year old.

[Travis Munroe]

I think Ramos biggest flaw of over committing is something that can be fixed + our D do a great job of covering for it.
Hiller's biggest flaw is letting in easy goals and then bouncing back with incredible saves. Unfortunately, all it takes is a easy goal and it can deflate an entire team.

Ramo is younger and the passion he showed in the playoffs is the type of passion I want to see in a goalie. He seems like a quiet guy off the ice but takes his job extremely seriously.

Had you asked me 2 months ago, I would have said keep Hiller but I now say Ramo.

[Coach]

I think you Keep Ramo and trade Hiller.

Personally I like Ramo more, and Hiller had a great bounce back season with a decent contract. He's tradable for sure. Might as well get something for one if you can. They're pretty much a wash.

We get a nice Finnish duo for next season.