[Trade] Glencross to Washington for a 2015 2nd and 2015 3rd round pick (WSH) (Archive)

[OutOfTheCube]

He could be abducted by aliens and half the fan-base wouldn't even notice. If they get even a second round pick or mid-range prospect they should go for it.

[Toonage]

Part of me thinks the most we could get is a 3rd, then part of me remembers that David Perron fetched a 1st. I don't know what to think.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I'd like to see Flames get a d-prospect with a year or two of AHL ripening already completed. Not sure how much os a stretch that is.

I have to think the Nashville trade is forcing the hand of other contending teams. Preds look pretty deep now.

As long as it's not another Cundari, I'd be happy with this.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Part of me thinks the most we could get is a 3rd, then part of me remembers that David Perron fetched a 1st. I don't know what to think.

We'd be more likely to get a 1st than a 3rd because there isn't as many options at this TDL than last years.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Part of me thinks the most we could get is a 3rd, then part of me remembers that David Perron fetched a 1st. I don't know what to think.

You mean the David Perron that scored 28 goals last season? You're surprised that he got a first?

[AcGold]

Trade him for any pick 4th round or better.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

We'd be more likely to get a 1st than a 3rd because there isn't as many options at this TDL than last years.

Agreed, I think the Flames could get a 2nd from any interested team.

I'd be looking to do something like Glencross + 3rd round pick for a late 1st round pick.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by codynw

Cause he's as frustrating as any player I can remember ever playing for the Flames. Plus his deal expires this year, and he's admitted he won't take a discount again.

You never saw Kari Eloranta.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

I have absolutely no idea what kind of point you are trying to make

That he hasn't been "disinterested" since returning.. He's just not playing on the right line chemistrywise for his game. He doesn't really have any with Mason Raymond.

Glencross most definitely didn't play much with Iginla.. He was a 3rd liner for most of his career which is part of what made it impressive that he was able to score so many goals.

Also Iginla doesn't pass as he's a shooter like Glencross.

Glencross did play with Iginla plenty during his better scoring years. It wasn't a "set line" but it was still a combination we saw often and it benefited Glencross. No one he's been playing with lately gets that kind of volume up or shifts defenses like that other than Monahan, who's been on a different line for a long while.

I really don't see how Iginla being a shooter stops him from getting assists. You don't need to be a razzle dazzle playmaker to benefit a guy like Glencross.

But speaking of condescending...

[Red Menace]

Still find it hard to believe that people are defending Burke letting Cammi go for nothing last year.
Any GM should have multiple options in place....he should have told the team he was dealing with that the deal had to be done 10-15 minutes before deadline or he would move on top option B, C, D, etc.
Find it very hard to believe he couldn't have gotten at least a 2nd for Cammi from someone...he put his eggs all in one basket, and then dropped the basket....

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Part of me thinks the most we could get is a 3rd, then part of me remembers that David Perron fetched a 1st. I don't know what to think.

Perron has term left, GlenX doesn't. Not apples to apples.

Thinking about this more, Anaheim hasn't been a big player in rentals. They passed on Cammy last year and this was an except from their lack of activity last year:

Murray said he even made the unusual move, for him, of pursuing a “rental player,” meaning an unrestricted free agent.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sports...305-story.html

Barring a major philosophical change, can't see the ducks moving a first for GlenX. Pittsburgh already dealt their first this year. Would leave only WPG or BOS if we are standing firm on a first rounder for GlenX. Would deal the first they got from Buffalo for a rental despite being a draft and develop team? Would Boston deal their first after dealing their first in 2013? Doesn't line up for us to get a first back in a deal for GlenX upon initial review.

[IgiTang]

As much as people assume Glencross is a leader in the DR and is a leader on this team...

An argument, and a strong argument at that could be made that he isn't much of a leader at all. Many would say "he wears an A, he's a leader". The A is someone who can communicate or " liase" between the ref and coach and is considered a "vet" or someone dependable to add a spark when a team needs it.

Glencross does not add a spark. In fact, with his lazy line changes and blatant whining on the ice (which I have personally witnessed on multiple occasions), Glencross does not add anything that can't be replaced.

Furthermore, many guys in that room would see moving Glencross as a hockey move. And you are kidding yourself if you can't find at least one player in Addy to replace Glencross and "bring it" for the last stretch here. In fact, you would likely find multiple guys and it would be a great chance to see what kind of jam some of these guys have during "gut check time".

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

To play devils advocate... Glencross is a streaky player who is also coming off an injury. I have no doubt that Glencross is due for one of his 7-8 game streaks. This road trip coming up would be the perfect time.

I could care less about him stringing a few point together at this stage. He's way too much of a floater these days that rarely uses his speed to look even remotely engaged. It would be one thing if you could say he was working his tail off and just not getting bounces but he's not even close to generating anything anymore. Team success this year has been based on everything Glencross is not so I fail to see the need to pursue an extension or hang on to him passed the deadline.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

That he hasn't been "disinterested" since returning.. He's just not playing on the right line chemistrywise for his game. He doesn't really have any with Mason Raymond.



Glencross did play with Iginla plenty during his better scoring years. It wasn't a "set line" but it was still a combination we saw often and it benefited Glencross. No one he's been playing with lately gets that kind of volume up or shifts defenses like that other than Monahan, who's been on a different line for a long while.

I really don't see how Iginla being a shooter stops him from getting assists. You don't need to be a razzle dazzle playmaker to benefit a guy like Glencross.

But speaking of condescending...

Regardless, the point you made is incorrect.

There's 0 correlation between him being disinterested and Iginla being on the team. I Can't believe you drew the conclusion that he's not scoring because Iginla isn't on his line. And it's false that he spent lots of time with Iginla, but whatever fits your narrative. Even if he did, that doesn't change the fact that Iginla isn't a passer. Glencross always had the ability to score, it didn't matter who he was playing with..

His style of game has changed and I think most CPers will agree with that. He's not the gritty power forward we all knew and loved. Do you still see Glencross taking stupid penalties every game? No, because he's not the same feisty player anymore. It's nice not to have those penalties now, but it's because he's not as engaged or physical in the game as he used to be.

Oh and yes, I make a point to answer a condescending post with even more condescension. Strong believer in the eye-for-an-eye policy.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by codynw

You mean the David Perron that scored 28 goals last season? You're surprised that he got a first?

I honestly was! I know he isn't a bad player, just on a bad team but I was genuinely surprised that the Oilers managed to get a 1st for him. Probably more a reflection of team management than the player.

[sureLoss]

Posted the transcript in the OP after listening to the segment again.

Just a point of clarification. Friedman never said that Anaheim had called about Glencross. He said that he believed Glencross would waive for Anaheim. He also said that he didn't think there was a match between Anaheim and Calgary.

[868904]

I can't see Glencross waiving for Boston, they are where we are now, it would be lateral for him.

If he waives, it will be for a chance to increase his UFA value and that would mean a long playoff run with a true contender. Pittsburgh and Anaheim give him the best opportunity to market himself.

With Nashville loading up, and Chicago, St. Louis, and LA being who they are, the Ducks are going to have to improve their team if they want to win the cup. I just don't see them stacking up with those other teams in terms of depth scoring. Glencross would help them out a lot.

As bad a season as Glencross is "perceived" to be having by some, he'd still be 5th in scoring among forwards for the Ducks, behind only Getzlaf, Perry, Kesler, and Beleskey.

The Ducks have been so desperate for a big top 6 forward that they actually traded for Rene Bourque.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by codynw

His NTC could make it hard to get full value out of a trade. In the end, he chooses where he goes.

Honestly, at this point I'd take a 4th and a meh defence prospect for him. I hope Glencross' time in Calgary is almost up.

If that is all you're getting for him then what is the point? You'd be better off keeping him for the playoff push and lose him for nothing. Letting him go for such little return sends a message that you're an easy target when somebody is looking to easily win a trade.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Buff

If that is all you're getting for him then what is the point? You'd be better off keeping him for the playoff push and lose him for nothing. Letting him go for such little return sends a message that you're an easy target when somebody is looking to easily win a trade.

agreed, forcing a veteran player to waive for a fourth round pick is ridiculous

honestly I doubt he waives and its his right not to

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Red Menace

Find it very hard to believe he couldn't have gotten at least a 2nd for Cammi from someone...he put his eggs all in one basket, and then dropped the basket....

He's on the record that no one offered a 2nd. The offer was a 3rd.
You can believe him or not, but I see no reason not to take him at face value.