Lance Bouma - a long term contract ?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!

Another interesting note on Bouma:
He has never scored 20 goals in a season in any league since he was 14.

Interesting note: Bouma doesn't need to score to be valuable.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Interesting note: Bouma doesn't need to score to be valuable.

He is responding to the people who think he should replace Glencross

bad comparison he is never gonna score like Glencross

[GioforPM]

I believe he will be re-signed but the analysis of market value by Treliving will be pretty careful. We all love the guy, especially Hartley, but the role he plays comes at a certain pricetag and not more. With RFA negotiations a lot has to do with comparables and stats. Bouma's agent will understand this. Let's hope the Flames do not overvalue/overpay their role players like some teams.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Even if Bouma didn't score the 2 goals, he's still valuable to the team. The thread was definitely created after he had a fantastic game the other night, but there is more to Bouma than just scoring.

thats the point, knee jerk reaction

Guy has value to the team, no need to lock him up long term or pay him a large amount. On a good team he is on the 4th line

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

thats the point, knee jerk reaction

Guy has value to the team, no need to lock him up long term

The problem is how many UFA years you want to buy. If you lock him up for 3-4 years, you take either 1 or 2 UFA years. any team can use Bouma, and I know some team would overpay for him, whether he is worth that contract or not.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by dino7c

thats the point, knee jerk reaction

Guy has value to the team, no need to lock him up long term or pay him a large amount. On a good team he is on the 4th line

It's kind of stupid that a thread can't be created after a player has a good game without it being a knee jerk reaction. How many bad games has Bouma had this year? Pretty close to 0. He's a fan favourite heart and soul player.

4th liners like this don't grow on trees and it borderline angers me how many posters think Bouma is easily replaceable. I'm thinking this topic can be used as a test to see which fans actually watch the game, and which 'fans' just look at stats.

19 points this season averaging 12 minutes a night while constantly being put on the PK and defensive zone starts. That is an impressive point total for what his role on this team is.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

It's kind of stupid that a thread can't be created after a player has a good game without it being a knee jerk reaction. How many bad games has Bouma had this year? Pretty close to 0. He's a fan favourite heart and soul player.

4th liners like this don't grow on trees and it borderline angers me how many posters think Bouma is easily replaceable. I'm thinking this topic can be used as a test to see which fans actually watch the game, and which 'fans' just look at stats.

19 points this season averaging 12 minutes a night while constantly being put on the PK and defensive zone starts. That is an impressive point total for what his role on this team is.

I said he has value, but you don't need to lock up fourth liners to long term deals. And the thread 100% exists because of his two goals, just think its funny how "its time to cut Byron" was the big topic after last game

Bouma is a favourite of mine as well but that has no bearing on contract negotiations

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I said he has value, but you don't need to lock up fourth liners to long term deals. And the thread 100% exists because of his two goals, just think its funny how "its time to cut Byron" was the big topic after last game

Bouma is a favourite of mine as well but that has no bearing on contract negotiations

I think it's funny how someone with such terrible grammar can definitively say why a thread they didn't create was started.

Bouma is the biggest embodiment of the Flames identity. That's invaluable.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

The problem is how many UFA years you want to buy. If you lock him up for 3-4 years, you take either 1 or 2 UFA years. any team can use Bouma, and I know some team would overpay for him, whether he is worth that contract or not.

There's no reason for the Flames to 'buy' his UFA years at an inflated price just because some other team might be willing to overpay Bouma.

The Flames should get good value from him on RFA contracts for as long as possible, whether that's 2 years or 3. And if some other team wants to overpay for his UFA years after that, then let them do it instead of the Flames.

[dino7c]

sorry grammar police its and internet message board get over yourself

organization was already ruined once by giving fan favs long term deals, there is no need to give a 3rd or 4th liner more than 2 or 3 years TOPS. I am pretty confident the GM agrees with me so no worries there.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by dino7c

sorry grammar police its and internet message board get over yourself

organization was already ruined once by giving fan favs long term deals, there is no need to give a 3rd or 4th liner more than 2 or 3 years TOPS. I am pretty confident the GM agrees with me so no worries there.

So you go out of your way to put less punctuation into your sentences... It's really not fun for people on the internet trying to read that crap.

At least you're confident the GM and yourself are in agreement.

Get over yourself.

[AC]

Originally Posted by dino7c

organization was already ruined once by giving fan favs long term deals

Which player(s) are you referring to? I honestly can't remember, though I may be selectively blocking those memories from my brain.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by New Era

No to a long term contract. There are lots of Lance Boumas around and there will continue to be lots of them. He's like Nystrom and Prust were with the Flames. Good players that give their all, but not having a long shelf life with any one team. 2-3 years at $1.5M top end seems like a fair. By then new fan favorites on the 4th line will come along and make the fans want to move on from Bouma. It's just the cycle of the game.

I completely disagree with arguments like this.

1) no, there are not lots of Lance Boumas around (please name us several)

2) when you've got a good one, why would you cheap out on him and lose him, only to have to go out and get another one as a UFA and therefore at a higher cost? And the new guy likely isn't as good or he wouldn't be available.

[btimbit]

Anyone thinking Bouma can and will produce like he did against Edmonton will be very disappointed. That said, what he brings is invaluable. Lock him up, finding a player like this is harder than you think.

[Volica]

This is a fourth liner you win with. He's a PKer, shot blocker, energy and heart and soul guy. Let's be honest, he doesn't belong in the top 6... Buy an very well be a 7-10 goal guy on the forth line.

I kind of want the Flames to start grooming Billy Arnold or Shore for the center role... Them two along with a decent, sound, RW (maybe along the lines of Wolfie) would give a beastly forth line.

[kermitology]

3 or 4 year deal $1.75-2M per year

He seems like the kind of player you need on your roster to help you win a championship. Not the key cog obviously, but like Yelle.

[Aarongavey]

Lance Bouma is a younger version of Brandon Prust without the fights. After this season he will arguably have been as productive over his career as Prust was when he signed a 4 year 10 million dollar contract. I would have no problem with the Flames locking Bouma down to a 5 year 11 million dollar deal, eat up 3 UFA years and slightly overpay him for the RFA years. The Flames do not need to save money on his RFA years, they will be nowhere near a cap team next year or the year after in all likelihood. When they need to save the cap space is in the backend of deals like Bouma's.

If overpaying Lance now allows you to have a Lance like player for 500K less a year when he is a UFA it is money well spent.

[Scoutski]

I don't really see why people say he's a 4th liner still? I'm not penciling him in for top minutes in the future but he's on pace for ~33 points, that's some damn good secondary scoring isn't it?

Definitely agree that there isn't a need to sign him to more than 3 years at this point, would still be very upset if he were let go.

[Zevo]

Ideally he's a great 4th liner who can fill in on the 3rd line and not look out of place. Also a beast on the PK.

On top of putting up points this year, his intangibles include being able to grab momentum by just being awesome. You can just see how a big hit, sacrificing his body to block shots fearlessly, or even just a buzz saw like shift can swing the game back in Calgary's favour.

3-4 years at an average of 1.75-2M sounds fair to me.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Again, its a rebuilding team - no need to lock up these kind of guys long term. A few extra dollars than his worth over 2 years is enough.