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Redmonster · 01-12-2015, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

How many starts has Ramo had since December? It doesn't feel like many.

In December Ramo went 2-3 in 5 starts
Hiller went 4-4-1

Psytic · 01-12-2015, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Drury18

I think it's only fair to give him another start. If they want to keep pushing the mantra of earning spots based on play, sending him down after posting a shutout really negates all of that. He's earned one more start.

That being said, there are a handful of teams out there (Detroit, Minnesota, Colorado) with injured/ineffective goalies on the roster who I'm sure is looking at Calgary and wondering what's available right now. There's a few teams in need of an NHL experienced goalie and perhaps Ramo fits that bill for a team.

I would laugh if we could pawn another goalie off on Colorado for another pick.

Henry Fool · 01-12-2015, 12:58 PM

One thing that might leave a more positive view of Rämö is that he wins more than he loses, even with the negative record in December.

8-5-1 this season, 17-15-4 last season.

At the same time someone else might focus on his poorest performances last month. I think there were two games that drag his stats down in that time span.

Murph · 01-12-2015, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Redmonster

In December Ramo went 2-3 in 5 starts
Hiller went 4-4-1

To be clear, the numbers I posted include all games from Dec. 1st onward including January. Over that span, Ramo was 2-3 and Hiller was 4-7-1.

GioforPM · 01-12-2015, 01:04 PM

Ramo wasn't good against Rangers, Sabres or Avs and was pretty blah against the Sharks.

Hiller's worst game of the year was easily Fla (then again, he had a great game against them before). And the game before when he took over against Detroit was crappy as well. But his save % was still better than the .692 Ramo managed against the Rangers.

They are both pretty streaky. You almost forget Ramo posted two bagels in a row in November. Or that Hiller was had a 4 game winning streak in December.

Henry Fool · 01-12-2015, 01:09 PM

I think they're both pretty good. Before the troubles started they were both winning goaltenders, no problems. Looking at save percentages over short periods or single games doesn't add much insight.

Is it out of the question to keep both for another season and revisit this discussion a year from now?

dammage79 · 01-12-2015, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Henry Fool

I think they're both pretty good. Before the troubles started they were both winning goaltenders, no problems. Looking at save percentages over short periods or single games doesn't add much insight.

Is it out of the question to keep both for another season and revisit this discussion a year from now?

Ultimately depends on Ramo's asking price to re-sign but yes that could be an option. That situation though leaves Ortio exposed to waivers and I don't think the Flames want to lose him for nothing.

Enoch Root · 01-12-2015, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

I've noticed whenever Ramo is in net, folks want Hiller and vice versa. I've noticed that even the criticisms are the same "I feel better with ___ in net. He's steadier and doesn't slide/flop around as much."

Ramo was great last half of last season, and at the beginning of this season. However, IMO Hiller looked steadier for the rest of this season. When Hiller started to slide I wondered if Ramo would regain his steadiness and take over again, but it didn't happen. Then Ramo got sick and then injured. But in the game he got injured he wasn't looking great either.

That pretty much sums up the debate.

Neither goalie is a top level starter. For both, sometimes they look great and sometimes they don't.

So I don't really care which one they keep. My preference is driven by the fact that I think they would get more for Hiller (because of his track record), especially if they retained salary.

Henry Fool · 01-12-2015, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Ultimately depends on Ramo's asking price to re-sign but yes that could be an option. That situation though leaves Ortio exposed to waivers and I don't think the Flames want to lose him for nothing.

Well if it's impossible then they'll try to deal Rämö I'm sure. Hiller has been a bit better and has more experience overall. Like people have been talking, there are teams that could use a goalie this season.

Erick Estrada · 01-12-2015, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

Or perhaps some don't agree that Hiller is the better goaltender.

That's fine. I'm with the coach on this one.

nik- · 01-12-2015, 01:31 PM

The coach has altered his opinions multiple times over the year with each getting stretches. I don't even think the coach has decided.

bob-loblaw · 01-12-2015, 01:36 PM

Let him play a bit. He's on a one-way contract so let's see a little more of what we have as a backup next year and see how he's progressed.

GioforPM · 01-12-2015, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

The coach has altered his opinions multiple times over the year with each getting stretches. I don't even think the coach has decided.

Starts are 26-16. Ramo's been replaced 3 times (once for the injury). Hiller hasn't been yanked, though he would've been against Fla, Im pretty sure. Even considering Ramo was sick for a game or two, I think Hiller is Hartley's number 1.

crapshoot · 01-12-2015, 01:43 PM

I would like to see them stick to the plan on this one. Ortio goes back down.

Bingo · 01-12-2015, 01:51 PM

Ramo and Hiller are polar opposites.

Ramo is athletic and gets in trouble when he moves too much (over reacts, taking himself out of the crease and not being around for a rebound)

Hiller isn't athletic at all. He just makes himself tall from his knees and dares shooters to shooter tutor him.

Hiller does more with who he is than Ramo has managed, but neither are true starters in my mind.

They are however, great place holders!

GioforPM · 01-12-2015, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Ramo and Hiller are polar opposites.

Ramo is athletic and gets in trouble when he moves too much (over reacts, taking himself out of the crease and not being around for a rebound)

Hiller isn't athletic at all. He just makes himself tall from his knees and dares shooters to shooter tutor him.

Hiller does more with who he is than Ramo has managed, but neither are true starters in my mind.

They are however, great place holders!

I agree with your analysis of their styles, which is why I have been confused by posters who say Hiller flops around too much. I think Hiller could challenge a bit more, and I don't like that H style which leave a crack at the top inside post on close in plays. But he is a more traditional butterfly guy, which probably leads to more consistent results.

nik- · 01-12-2015, 02:02 PM

I don't think Hiller flops around too much but I do think he's a bit of a chaser which tends to get him pretty poorly out of position sometimes.

GioforPM · 01-12-2015, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

I don't think Hiller flops around too much but I do think he's a bit of a chaser which tends to get him pretty poorly out of position sometimes.

I don't see that at all. If anything he gets too set in position.

nik- · 01-12-2015, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't see that at all. If anything he gets too set in position.

He has a tendency to indecisively chase pucks going behind the net a bit too much, I notice it quite a bit.

GioforPM · 01-12-2015, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

He has a tendency to indecisively chase pucks going behind the net a bit too much, I notice it quite a bit.

I thought you were talking about saves. I agree he is a bad puck handler. Usually when the 3rd pairing is on, of course.