[News] NHL announces $2000 fine to James Neal for diving

[heep223]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Oh really? That's funny because you don't see me insulting people and getting emotional unlike yourself. I won't read people's posts that start off condescending and that makes me a petulant child?

On the other hand I get insulted, people dig through my posting history and even get told that I should die and those posts get thanked. It's amazing how people can act so authoritarian and make sweeping generalizations based on an opinion they don't like. I stated an opinion on vaccines or something you didn't like months ago and you've been holding a grudge for a long time. How does that make me a child?

Probably because posts like this....lighten up.

I'm in the camp that it's either a dive or a hook. Whoever suggested giving more standalone penalties for diving I'm on board with.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

False dichotomy. There is absolutely no reason why a ref could not see the hook and feel the diver tried to embellish it.

That's a hockey invention.

Once the hook happens the fouled player is at a disadvantage, he certainly can fall down.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

That's a hockey invention.

Once the hook happens the fouled player is at a disadvantage, he certainly can fall down.

Sure. He can fall down. Doesn't mean he must. Doesn't mean that he doesn't fall into dramatics as he goes down to try and draw the call. And if the referee feels that he did embellish, that does not mean he didn't also see a hook.

I'll use a different penalty, but a real example for my point: At the the Macs Midget tournament a few years ago, a Russian team dove its way throughout the event as it reached the final. In that game, a Russian player was slammed into the boards hard. The player jumped up, did a 360 spin, fell to the ice and started rolling around clutching his arm. It was all so dramatic that the referee immediately called him for unsportsmanlike conduct. Problem is, he actually had his arm broken on the play. His opponent received a match penalty for boarding.

The unsportsmanlike penalty still stood, because even in suffering an injury, the Russian player's instincts were to act it up as much as possible.

[GirlySports]

Id just stop calling hooks.

Or id call unsportsmanlike for being an idiot.

But not diving.

[sureLoss]

So some interesting inner workings of how the NHL determines whether a player has committed a dive worthy of a fine on TSN.

According to LeBrun, there is a 9 man committee in Toronto that reviews videos of play (whether the refs call it a dive at the time or not).

If at least 6 of those 9 think it is a dive, the player will get fined.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

So some interesting inner workings of how the NHL determines whether a player has committed a dive worthy of a fine on TSN.

According to LeBrun, there is a 9 man committee in Toronto that reviews videos of play (whether the refs call it a dive at the time or not).

If at least 6 of those 9 think it is a dive, the player will get fined.

Is there a Russian judge?

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by heep223

Probably because posts like this....lighten up.

I'm in the camp that it's either a dive or a hook. Whoever suggested giving more standalone penalties for diving I'm on board with.

Because of posts where I don't rollover when people attack my character? Ok, you want me to lighten up how about stopping the sweeping generalizations when people don't know me at all. You expect me to just be fine with it when people insult me? If I started insulting your credibility and every fibre of your body because I didn't agree with an opinion how would you take that?

Notice that you don't find me insulting people, just taking offense to how frequently it occurs. Lighten up? People told me to die, I've had to block users because they followed me around to every single post passive aggressively insulting me.

I thought the dive wasn't that bad, if you think it was that's fine. Explain why you think it was and move on, I'm not going to just be fine when people insult me so frequently especially when I don't do it myself. I'm getting a little sick of the authoritarian, condescending passive aggressiveness around here when someone doesn't go with the general consensus.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Why is diving cheating. Why is it classless. Someone explain.

I'm guessing you don't watch Soccer. Since moving to Iceland 4 years ago I've been having to watch way more of it, because thats the sport everyone here goes crazy over.

Its a plague in this sport, its shameful and ruins what otherwise is a beautiful game. So many fans loathe it but feel helpless in dealing with it, because FIFA is such an old boys club, a massive bureaucracy that seems to tackle issues at the pace of an especially old snail.

The NHL however, good or bad, does take issues and deal with them quicker than most leagues. They are willing to try out new things, test them in the juniors and make their mind up about it.

If you had to be a fan for Liverpool in Soccer, try one season and see how much diving and embellishment is ruining an otherwise great sport.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Because of posts where I don't rollover when people attack my character? Ok, you want me to lighten up how about stopping the sweeping generalizations when people don't know me at all. You expect me to just be fine with it when people insult me? If I started insulting your credibility and every fibre of your body because I didn't agree with an opinion how would you take that?

Notice that you don't find me insulting people, just taking offense to how frequently it occurs. Lighten up? People told me to die, I've had to block users because they followed me around to every single post passive aggressively insulting me.

I thought the dive wasn't that bad, if you think it was that's fine. Explain why you think it was and move on, I'm not going to just be fine when people insult me so frequently especially when I don't do it myself. I'm getting a little sick of the authoritarian, condescending passive aggressiveness around here when someone doesn't go with the general consensus.

So this is off topic, but you do the same thing in ever topic.

You take a position (often I don't agree with your position, but that is an aside) on a topic.

When asked to support the position or you are questioned you will say that people are being agressive and lash out.

If your do provide support/evidence to support your position and then someone doesn't agree with it or question it you go back to your default position of crying foul.

Merry Christmas AcGold.

[AcGold]

Actually no that's not at all how it goes. I state an opinion, people insult me, start the first sentance condescendingly and I don't read anymore. I have absolutely no problem supporting a position when the opposite party has respect. If you're going to cherry pick a few conversations where people jumped down my throat and say that's every post that seems mightily unfair but whatever.

Go ahead make sweeping false generalizations because it's my fault people can't have a conversation like adults. Explain to why I should support an opinion when the person responding starts off the first sentence with an insult. I'm all ears.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Actually no that's not at all how it goes. I state an opinion, people insult me, start the first sentance condescendingly and I don't read anymore. I have absolutely no problem supporting a position when the opposite party has respect. If you're going to cherry pick a few conversations where people jumped down my throat and say that's every post I could easily do the same.

But fine, make sweeping false generalizations because it's my fault people can't have a conversation like adults.

Exhibit A......no wait X, or Y????? I have actually lost count.


Again, Merry Christmas AcGold.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Actually no that's not at all how it goes. I state an opinion, people insult me, start the first sentance condescendingly and I don't read anymore. I have absolutely no problem supporting a position when the opposite party has respect. If you're going to cherry pick a few conversations where people jumped down my throat and say that's every post that seems mightily unfair but whatever.

Go ahead make sweeping false generalizations because it's my fault people can't have a conversation like adults. Explain to why I should support an opinion when the person responding starts off the first sentence with an insult. I'm all ears.

So much irony there ....

[AcGold]

Ok good talking to you. Sorry for taking offense to being insulted and patronized. Clearly I am the one in the wrong, from now on I'll just roll over because how dare I take offense to character assassination and false generalizations, how dare I.

[sureLoss]

per HNIC 22 other players have received their first warning, and next infraction will get them a fine.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Thor

I'm guessing you don't watch Soccer. Since moving to Iceland 4 years ago I've been having to watch way more of it, because thats the sport everyone here goes crazy over.

Its a plague in this sport, its shameful and ruins what otherwise is a beautiful game. So many fans loathe it but feel helpless in dealing with it, because FIFA is such an old boys club, a massive bureaucracy that seems to tackle issues at the pace of an especially old snail.

The NHL however, good or bad, does take issues and deal with them quicker than most leagues. They are willing to try out new things, test them in the juniors and make their mind up about it.

If you had to be a fan for Liverpool in Soccer, try one season and see how much diving and embellishment is ruining an otherwise great sport.

The rules written in soccer are there but the problem are the refs.

A) Refs don't call fouls unless the player falls which is ridiculous. For example we are running for the ball and I grab your shirt or arm. Unless you fall the refs won't call it. So players have to fall.

B) Refs put up with faking injuries and wasting time. There should be way more yellow cards for that stuff.

Remember in soccer they are playing on cleats and not skates. If a player is being fouled, it's usually easier to just fall over then to try and fight it. Studs might get caught and cause leg injuries. But the rolling around after the falling over is a joke.

I like the fines in hockey but they really should hit teams with powerplays. Call diving by itself more often.


Edit: like how Borini just got red carded for arguing.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Ok good talking to you. Sorry for taking offense to being insulted and patronized. Clearly I am the one in the wrong, from now on I'll just roll over because how dare I take offense to character assassination and false generalizations, how dare I.

Actually, you were the one who insulted, patronized, and made a sweeping false generalization about the entire board. All someone said was that "you have the weirdest posts", in response to you defending a very obvious dive without any real reason or evidence. Hardly something as dramatic as a 'character assassination'. Your response was to attack the character of the person who responded and make a generalization about the entire message board.

Originally Posted by AcGold

Atleast I can handle others having contrary opinions like an adult unlike many on this forum.

So cut the whole 'woe is me' routine, no one attacked you until you did it first.

[killer_carlson]

What would be the message board equivalent of diving?

[Francis's Hairpiece]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

What would be the message board equivalent of diving?

"DOOM"ing.

[Bezer]

I was thought a 2 min penalty and a 10 min misconduct would be something to look at.