Will Jones and Glencross be Flames next season?

[GioforPM]

If you sign Glencross at the numbers and term suggested by Table 5 (and I think they're pretty close to what he wants) you will end up buying him out in year 3 or so.

Compared to a cheaper and probably more useful Stajan (cheaper, better defence, faceoffs, plays anywhere and is by all accounts a great mentor), I can't see matching what GlenX can get from a cup contender at the deadline. I also find it hard to imagine him not waiving to go to a contender and then getting paid in the offseason. So the question is - what can you get for a pretty useful rental?

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

He's scoring less goals but getting more assists. He has 4 goals and 14 points in 25 games. His career projection for 25 games is 6 goals and 13 points. His projection since 11-12 for 25 games is 8 goals and 16 points. He's had one multi-goal game out of 25 this year, so he's basically one multi-goal game off of his recent production.

If Glencross expects to be the highest paid forward on the team, he needs be the highest producer too. At the moment he's 6th on the team in points. He has been put in a prominent role, and has been inconsistent at best.

If his role is changing, that's fine...but that's not the type of guy you give the big money/term too.

The production is right around where it should be, based on past performance. Any minor lag over 25 games isn't enough to extrapolate that his scoring is slowing down, IMO.

The big-picture question though is not about today. It's about next year and the 3-4 years after that. He's 32 in a month. Do you honestly expect him to maintain his production? Or is it more realistic that it starts going down. His goal scoring has already slipped, and I guess now he's had to adjust his game. What's next? And why should we as a team take that risk?

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Table 5

If his role is changing, that's fine...but that's not the type of guy you give the big money/term too.

I agree with that.

The big-picture question though is not about today. It's about next year and the 3-4 years after that. He's 32 in a month. Do you honestly expect him to maintain his production? Or is it more realistic that it starts going down. His goal scoring has already slipped, and I guess now he's had to adjust his game. What's next? And why should we as a team take that risk?

Other than 1 less multi goal game so far this season, his goal production hasn't slipped. His production since 11-12 has increased from his career average, so maybe he has another year or two left of that? I really don't know, I can't see the future.

I'm not at all proposing we re-sign him. I just don't think his production to date is one of the reasons not to re-sign him.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Table 5

If Glencross expects to be the highest paid forward on the team, he needs be the highest producer too. At the moment he's 6th on the team in points. He has been put in a prominent role, and has been inconsistent at best.

If his role is changing, that's fine...but that's not the type of guy you give the big money/term too.



The big-picture question though is not about today. It's about next year and the 3-4 years after that. He's 32 in a month. Do you honestly expect him to maintain his production? Or is it more realistic that it starts going down. His goal scoring has already slipped, and I guess now he's had to adjust his game. What's next? And why should we as a team take that risk?

I don't think his expectations on his next contract have anything to do with the current payroll. He would expect to get paid what a 32 year old with his skills would get paid. Remember that he took a discount last time and won't this time. I'm sure he'd love to stay, but there will be bidders and he won't take significant dollars less to stay here. For that reason alone I don't think he's here next year, so why not trade him at the deadline?

[Stay Golden]

The Flames are best to deal Glencross at the deadline or keep him for a March run for the playoffs and let him go FA. But do not resign him. He is going to be looking for 4m I bet and want 3 years or more.
He is jaded about his current 2.25 deal and regardless if this season production is down or not he thinks he can get more.
No way do I want to see Treliving make that mistake.

[3rd line Grinder]

Originally Posted by saillias

I'm a little worried Glencross values playing in Alberta more than anything and the stupid ****ing Oilers will offer him 5 million a season.

Isn't there bad blood there from his first isn't with them?

[Iggy Snipe]

If Glenny sign for cheap I would say lets yes, but we will see. He isn't putting up good numbers this year, and he definitely is NOT worth 4-5 million per. His current contract is probably more along the lines of what he is worth, and we probably had him at a slight discount before.

As for Jones, he might be one of the most over paid guys in the league. He is worth 1-2 million at most per season and he gets 4. Ridiculous he makes close to what Brodie and Gio make.

In my eyes, we could lose both of them for nothing, and still be ok.

[Finger Cookin]

Oops nm

[IgiTang]

Wow... Just wow...

Glencross gives up on alot of plays when the puck is headed back to his own end. Period.

Our Vets need to be leaders. Ala Hudler and Gio, not Glencross.

If Glencross was to accept a 3rd line role and make max 2m per for the Flames, re-sign him. If not, you let him walk and replace him with a hungrier and younger player who hits and has speed.

In fact, I feel that Bouma makes Glencross expendable at this point.

Its not what he scored for UA 2 and 3 years ago. Its what he is gonna do for us in the next 2 to 3 years. Use that money and get another top 3 D or a bona fide top 6 winger.

[T@T]

I think for Glencross to remain here it's going to take another haircut. A guy like Ferland could replace him very soon.

[stone hands]

Originally Posted by Table 5

He's projected to get 13-14 goals this year at his current rate, all in a 1st-line player role that he didn't get before. How is that not slowing down compared to his 24 and 26 goal seasons a few years ago?

13-14 goals and 35 points is worth being the highest paid forward on the team for 4 years? Yeah, no thanks.

He started as a peripheral energy player and kind of fell into 1st line LW by happenstance(maybe too light a word). It wasn't more than 2 years ago he was behind tanguay and cammy when they werent playing C. granted, he is playing much better competition most nights because of the 1st line duties. he's really good and has heart but doesnt match up against the best of the best and he's always been at his best as a secondary energy guy who puts up points

his role might be better suited on a team that has elite scoring already, but the flames also do have a lot of cap room and 3 years until they need to pay monahan, gaudreau, colborn and granlund

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I don't care what anyone says about Glencross, I want him back.

And for the record, "lazy" people don't make it to the NHL.

This is probably a fair statement, but there is definitely a few players that have become lazy once making it in the NHL... See Alexander Semin, Dany Heatley, the entire no good Oilers top line etc...

[HelloHockeyFans]

I can see a lot of teams calling about Glencross as the deadline approaches, but I think there's a good chance the Flames will be in a position where the playoffs are likely and therefore won't move him. I can see him signing elsewhere in the off-season for a 5-year deal for about $5M cap hit similar to Cammalleri and Moulson.

Also, for Jones, with his injury history, don't think there are any takers, pretty sure he stays.

[Max Cow Disease]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

This is probably a fair statement, but there is definitely a few players that have become lazy once making it in the NHL... See Alexander Semin, Dany Heatley, the entire no good Oilers top line etc...

More specifically, we're talking about laziness as a relative term when it comes to an NHL player. A pro player isn't Homer Simpson or peopleofwalmart.com lazy obviously, but can certainly have far less work ethic and motivation to succeed than his peers. Especially once you "make it" so to speak, it seems.

It's amazing to look at a guy like Rene Bourque, and then Mark Giordano. The contrast between how the two guys approach the job is so stark.

[AcGold]

Ovechkin likely in the lazy group. He comes to camp just plain overweight and his arms are tiny, looking like he partied all summer he knows he can get by on natural talent.

[Poe969]

I'll agree that Glencross has become "complacent" after his time in Calgary and think he'd do a lot better next year if he was on a different team. On the Flames I feel he doesn't have to prove himself because of his past with the team and his contract. If he were on a new team, I think he'd be forced to prove himself and likely earn the money he was signed to (most likely a larger deal worth at least $5 mill per). If he's on the Flames next year, I can see his attitude and play becoming worse before it gets better in that sense.

I won't say he's lazy but I sure as hell will say he's become "comfortable" and doesn't need to work as hard anymore. For his sake and the Flames sake, I think Glencross should move on either at the deadline or in the summer.

[dissentowner]

I don't see Glencross back next year, we have great LW depth and he is going to be cashing in huge. I see him signing with Arizona in the off season, seems a good fit for him, him and Doan can focus on horses instead of hockey.

[edslunch]

It comes down to numbers. With everyone healthy all but one of the rookies go back to the farm. Assuming Jooris and Granlund continue their play then you have to consider them full time next year. Better pencil in a spot for Bennett too, so they are at least two players heavy. Who goes? Who do you shed in order to keep Glencross?

[GioforPM]

While cap isn't an issue this year, you don't want to give a guy like Glencross lots of term at a high salary. Gio's deal is coming up and he gets whatever he wants. No more bargain basement prices for him. If Ramo keeps it up they will want to keep him, and goalies get paid.

[IgiTang]

Curtis Glencross, the myth, the legend...

I don't hate Glencross, but lets look at this from a possibly interested GM's perspective when it come to the real numbers

Has never played a full season in the NHL.

Has suffered serious enough injuries to miss 13+ games in all seasons but 2.

Has never broken 50 points.

Has broken 45 points once.

Has broken 20 goals twice in his career. 25 goals once.

Is about to turn 32 years old and is on pace for for less than 15 goals and if lucky enough to stay healthy, which is unlikely as history has proven, will score maybe 40 points.

How in the world does that command 5M/

It doesn't and when you consider his attitude, I cannot see many teams offering anything close to that on the open market.

And I for one hope he moves on and someone with a legit chance as a bonafide top 6 chance takes his place.