2 Calgary brothers charged with sex attack on teen

[Acey]

As a minority, I just automatically find myself hoping it's not my "people" when stories like this come up. When I saw the name of the accused is Manyshots, I immediately thought "well thank god it wasn't us," but also pray for the accused to have at least a fair trial because they've got it far worse than my folk... of course, if they're guilty throw 'em to the wolves.

I do not like my own way of thinking on this. In my years as a Canadian pretty much nothing has personally gone wrong for me race wise, so I endeavour to do everything in my power to ditch my subliminal "my people vs your people" way of thinking as I have no substance with which to justify it.

[ranchlandsselling]

Originally Posted by Acey

As a minority, I just automatically find myself hoping it's not my "people" when stories like this come up. When I saw the name of the accused is Manyshots, I immediately thought "well thank god it wasn't us," but also pray for the accused to have at least a fair trial because they've got it far worse than my folk... of course, if they're guilty throw 'em to the wolves.

I do not like my own way of thinking on this. In my years as a Canadian pretty much nothing has personally gone wrong for me race wise, so I endeavour to do everything in my power to ditch my subliminal "my people vs your people" way of thinking as I have no substance with which to justify it.

What are you yellow and black?

[Acey]

Originally Posted by ranchlandsselling

What are you yellow and black?

Wrong order bro.

[Locke]

Well, I imagine that the feeling of being held captive and being raped repeatedly is one that these men will soon become very, very well acquainted with.

[vanisleflamesfan]

Oops... double post.

[vanisleflamesfan]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

Aboriginals are predominately nomadic people, with no permanent settlements.

This statement is grossly inaccurate. Statistically, there were far more groups in North America who were (settled, stationary) agriculturalists or had a stationary source of food (oceans, for example) than there were ranging hunter-gatherers. Even so, ranging hunter-gatherers followed a very specific seasonal round, they were not just wandering around aimlessly. Groups would return to spend seasons in the same areas year after year for hundreds of years.

If you have a summer home in Canada, and a winter home down south and maybe a cottage, and you spend different seasons at each location are you a nomad with no permanent home? No. Similar comparison with nomadic hunter-gatherers.

So apart from having no reason why it should invalidate the treaties, your 'point' is not also not even in the same ballpark as the truth.

[metallicat]

If it was two white guys who did this, would this thread be almost exclusively about their race? Don't think so.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Yeah, it defies logic to have these go on in perpetuity.

I think the reason it goes on in perpetuity is that there are clauses saying that the first Nations would be guaranteed things like education, and maybe housing? Basically a scenario where promises were made and the impact just gets passed along for future governments and generations to deal with.

I feel so badly for the girl and her family. I can't imagine her having to deal with this and having to constantly wonder if she's going to be safe. Just feeling like she has to look over her shoulder, basically forever, would be a mental torture that would be so hard to endure. Hopefully she gets enough support and treatment to conquer this.

[Arya Stark]

Wow had I known this was going turn to discussion regarding natives and tribes and history I would have never started the thread. A little wrong discussing these issues in here imo.

[CaptainCrunch]

Race has nothing to do with this crime. You can argue that in terms of crimes of economies and some other crimes that you can take things like Race into maybe. The argument with aboriginals is because they grew up on a reserve with little opportunity for example and became desperate.

However this is a whole different kettle of fish, and race or economic situations don't come into play in terms of basically kidnapping a girl and raping her multiple times.

Going back to my argument I do think the whole bail system needs to be looked at. It sounds like both of these brothers have lengthy criminal records, it also sounds like they had prior breeches when they were released on bail.

Personally, I think that if you've ever been convicted of a violent offense that no matter what you can't get bail. I think if you were on previous trial and you breached recognition then you can never get bail.

I also get sick of reading about these people with 8 or 10 or in the case of a fairly recent crime 40 convictions on your record. While I'm not really a super fan of the three strikes rule and think it needs to be amended to be put into play for example for three major crimes or three violent crimes, its pretty clear that when someone has for example 8 or 10 or 40 convictions that they have no interest in being reformed and that has to be taken into account with sentencing and probation requirements.

[Macro007]

Hi,

Let's see if we can get past the race issue and do what we can do to show our support for the victim, and start to heal as a community.

Those interested are invited to a support rally on Friday the 21st at 5:30pm. More information is available here:
http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/11/18...assault-victim

Thanks!

[Ducay]

Scary incident. Odd it happened in such a populated area with no one hearing the repeated screams for help. #taradale

[RedMileDJ]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Scary incident. Odd it happened in such a populated area with no one hearing the repeated screams for help. #taradale

What's with the hashtag?

[combustiblefuel]

Sexual predators like this need their dick and balls tied to 3 separate trucks going in 3 directions. No Jail time just castration. Then they won't have any sexual needs any more.

Having seen first hand of what a sexaul assault victim goes through they never fully recover.
In the States they will Chemically Castrate female prisoners. I believe if you can prove beyond a reason of doubt sex offenders should lose certain reproductive rights. I'm super liberal except my stance of violent offenders. Having been effected by murders and rapists actions on friends and family the justice system is to soft on violent criminals and too harsh on non violent offenders.

[terminator]

Really ashamed of CP; this is not a race issue.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Sexual predators like this need their dick and balls tied to 3 separate trucks going in 3 directions. No Jail time just castration. Then they won't have any sexual needs any more.

Having seen first hand of what a sexaul assault victim goes through they never fully recover.
In the States they will Chemically Castrate female prisoners. I believe if you can prove beyond a reason of doubt sex offenders should lose certain reproductive rights. I'm super liberal except my stance of violent offenders. Having been effected by murders and rapists actions on friends and family the justice system is to soft on violent criminals and too harsh on non violent offenders.

A person can be sexually assaulted without the use of a penis though. What you're suggesting may actually increase their desire to harm.

Having been a sexual assault victim, I can tell you that some do fully recover.

1 in 4 of North American women will be sexually assaulted in their lifetime.

There are alot of sick ####s out there.

Other stats:

Of every 100 incidents of sexual assault, only 6 are reported to the police
1 - 2% of "date rape" sexual assaults are reported to the police
11% of women have physical injury resulting for sexual assault
Only 2 - 4% of all sexual assaults reported are false reports
60% of sexual abuse/assault victims are under the age of 17
over 80% of sex crime victims are women
80% of sexual assault incidents occur in the home
17% of girls under 16 have experienced some form of incest
83% of disabled women will be sexual assaulted during their lifetime
15% of sexual assault victims are boys under 16
half of all sexual offenders are married or in long term relationships
57% of aboriginal women have been sexually abused
1/5th of all sexual assaults involve a weapon of some sort
80% of assailants are friends and family of the victim

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

1 in 4 of North American women will be sexually assaulted in their lifetime.

There are alot of sick ####s out there.

Other stats:

Of every 100 incidents of sexual assault, only 6 are reported to the police
1 - 2% of "date rape" sexual assaults are reported to the police
11% of women have physical injury resulting for sexual assault
Only 2 - 4% of all sexual assaults reported are false reports
60% of sexual abuse/assault victims are under the age of 17
over 80% of sex crime victims are women
80% of sexual assault incidents occur in the home
17% of girls under 16 have experienced some form of incest
83% of disabled women will be sexual assaulted during their lifetime
15% of sexual assault victims are boys under 16
half of all sexual offenders are married or in long term relationships
57% of aboriginal women have been sexually abused
1/5th of all sexual assaults involve a weapon of some sort
80% of assailants are friends and family of the victim

Puxlut, as a dad with an 11 yr girl these terrify me.

What is your source.

I grabbed it from the first page on google: http://www.sexassault.ca/statistics.htm
The results vary a bit. Because the majority never go reported, it's difficult to get hard numbers. But in my opinion, they are still too high.

If you want to read more stats, there are:
http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/sexcr...statistics.php
http://assaultcare.ca/sexual-assault...lt-statistics/
http://sacha.ca/fact-sheets/statistics

Reported assaults by province:
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quoti...25a001-eng.htm

I'm signing my five year old daughter up for karate.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

1 in 4 of North American women will be sexually assaulted in their lifetime.

There are alot of sick ####s out there.

Other stats:

Of every 100 incidents of sexual assault, only 6 are reported to the police
1 - 2% of "date rape" sexual assaults are reported to the police
11% of women have physical injury resulting for sexual assault
Only 2 - 4% of all sexual assaults reported are false reports
60% of sexual abuse/assault victims are under the age of 17
over 80% of sex crime victims are women
80% of sexual assault incidents occur in the home
17% of girls under 16 have experienced some form of incest
83% of disabled women will be sexual assaulted during their lifetime
15% of sexual assault victims are boys under 16
half of all sexual offenders are married or in long term relationships
57% of aboriginal women have been sexually abused
1/5th of all sexual assaults involve a weapon of some sort
80% of assailants are friends and family of the victim

For that websites sake, I really wish they'd source their stats info. I have no doubt that those numbers are true, but its rather amateurish of that site to dump all this hard-hitting stats with the only sourcing information being:

The above noted statistics have been taken from various studies across Canada. While the numbers can never been 100% accurate

Atleast your TPS article sources it stat by stat. Just a pet peeve of sites/causes like that...trying to do legitimate awareness and educating but comes across as very amateurish and skewed.