Keystone Pipeline: Louisiana

[Flash Walken]

Well, democracy has spoken I guess.

[burn_this_city]

I don't think it would have mattered, and I don't see a veto proof supermajority in the next Congress either.

[neo45]

Knew it wouldn't get fully approved but was hoping it would


It was the only upside of having the republicans win the senate

[mustache ride]

Originally Posted by neo45

Knew it wouldn't get fully approved but was hoping it would


It was the only upside of having the republicans win the senate

Republicans don't gain control until january

[Fire]

Originally Posted by mustache ride

Republicans don't gain control until january

At that point Senate will pass it but Obama will probably be a baby and veto it.

[CaptainCrunch]

At this point its becoming paramamount that Canada reduces its reliance on the U.S. for business and continues to try to find other global markets for its products including energy.

Obama isn't really a friend of this country and doesn't value the relationship like prior presidents.

[Nufy]

Maybe I am missing something...but why was Keystone Ok to build and use, but Keystone XL is not.

A little dirty Oil from Canada is OK...But not too much...that would be bad...

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Nufy

Maybe I am missing something...but why was Keystone Ok to build and use, but Keystone XL is not.

A little dirty Oil from Canada is OK...But not too much...that would be bad...

Why isn't this an acceptable position?

[Nufy]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Why isn't this an acceptable position?

Because it seems a bit Hypocritical imo...

KXL appears to be the latest political hot topic in the US right now.

Politicians are sticking to their positions not because of some moral outrage, but instead because it causes more grief to the other party.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Nufy

Because it seems a bit Hypocritical imo...

KXL appears to be the latest political hot topic in the US right now.

Politicians are sticking to their positions not because of some moral outrage, but instead because it causes more grief to the other party.

What is hypocritical about it?

Trade happens on a case by case basis.

This is a major energy project that crosses an international border and several state borders.

There's nothing stopping alberta from pumping in oil via existing conventional routes, and that export is increasing daily.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Nufy

Because it seems a bit Hypocritical imo...

KXL appears to be the latest political hot topic in the US right now.

Politicians are sticking to their positions not because of some moral outrage, but instead because it causes more grief to the other party.

It's really simple. Obama hates America, that is the only reason why he is not giving the go ahead. I mean he is missing out on adding 35 more jobs to the American economy. Like Boehner said, he is flat out calling the American public stupid, by not just green stamping the project, fawk the environmental impact etc.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Obama has only one card to play the next two years: the veto. Obama will likely make not vetoing Keystone contingent on the Republicans approving some of the things he wants done domestically. So Keystone will not be getting approved until 2016 at least unless the Republicans wanna play ball a little. If they wanna do what they have the last two years, no shot it gets approved.

[Frequitude]

He is incorrect in his statement that we are just going to ship oil through them and onto a boat to other countries.

Most of it will end up in their gulf coast refineries, many of whom have metalled up to handle heavy sour crude, and displace foreign oil. Or in some cases fill up unused heavy capacity because some of these refineries have actually dialled back their cokers in the light shale boom.

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

It's really simple. Obama hates America, that is the only reason why he is not giving the go ahead. I mean he is missing out on adding 35 more jobs to the American economy. Like Boehner said, he is flat out calling the American public stupid, by not just green stamping the project, fawk the environmental impact etc.

It is pretty simple. The U.S. is part of NAFTA, they need to facilitate free trade with Canada.
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[Flamenspiel]

Originally Posted by Nufy

Because it seems a bit Hypocritical imo...

KXL appears to be the latest political hot topic in the US right now.

Politicians are sticking to their positions not because of some moral outrage, but instead because it causes more grief to the other party.

I don't think its like that, but i agree that morals and ideals have very little to do with it, its politics plain and simple.

The fact is Obama has something to give, and the GOP has something to give, they have to make a deal. Its no different from buying a car, except you are dealing in political currency instead of money.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

What is hypocritical about it?

Trade happens on a case by case basis.

This is a major energy project that crosses an international border and several state borders.

There's nothing stopping alberta from pumping in oil via existing conventional routes, and that export is increasing daily.

And it would be terrible if we took those conventional routes and made them safer and more efficient.

The reasons against are pretty lame considering the oil is still flowing either way.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Azure

And it would be terrible if we took those conventional routes and made them safer and more efficient.

The reasons against are pretty lame considering the oil is still flowing either way.

I agree, rail should be much more heavily regulated and scrutinized.

That's what you're saying, right, conventional routes? Like the conventional routes Alberta Oil already takes to get into the US?

Ohhhhhhh, you meant unconventional routes, like creating new pipeline infrastructure.

Sorry, I was confused.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I agree, rail should be much more heavily regulated and scrutinized.

That's what you're saying, right, conventional routes? Like the conventional routes Alberta Oil already takes to get into the US?

Ohhhhhhh, you meant unconventional routes, like creating new pipeline infrastructure.

Sorry, I was confused.

Pipelines are hardly unconventional, but nice try.

I agree with making rail a lot safer, but I also realize pipelines are more efficient and simply better for everyone. Not supporting it is extremely hypocritical considering the oil is STILL flowing.

This whole thing turned into a political mess. Obama is more worried about his image than he is about doing what is best for both Canada and the US.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Azure

This whole thing turned into a political mess. Obama is more worried about his image than he is about doing what is best for both Canada and the US.

If he is only worried about his image, why is he making the unpopular choices?

[CaptainCrunch]

Its the popular choice in terms of his fundraising and social status. I mean OMG if he approves it Leonardo won't invite him to the annual christmas party and throw a $5000.00 per plate fund raiser.

This is a president that is inconsistent at best, who has built a lot of pipeline since he was elected and continues to rely on coal and is the biggest exporter of coal that there is which is a hideously ugly fuel.


Obama is wildly inconsistent on his stance on everything and its no surprise that he's wildly inconsistent on his stance on Keystone.

He's used reasons like carbon increases and I believe it was his own state department that told him he was wrong on that, then he used the it will create very few jobs on that, and while its probably true that this isn't about long term jobs, neither is his pumping money into high way construction to create a lot of short term jobs and very few long term jobs. Now its the evil Canadian's are using us to move the Oil down to Merican terminals so they can twirl their handle bar mustaches while they sell their Oil internationally and use the money to kill American Bald Eagles for sport.

Meanwhile he imports about 60% of America's energy needs from Opec and Middle Eastern Countries by Tanker.

The guy is a doofus but at least Darryl Hannah loves him.