[Rumour] Sven Baertschi's dad talks to Swiss newspaper about wanting out

[Frequitude]

That article is concerning and this thread is full of denial.

[Badgers Nose]

If he was my son I would feel the same way. #### the team, I only care about my kid.

I think Treeliving handles this stuff better than the old regime. Hopefully his softer touch, and the stuff he said about Sven yesterday, make Sven and family feel better.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Treliving mentioned more that once yesterday that he was surprised so many prospects were close to ready and that there was so much depth. I wonder if he would have made a different choice with Setoguchi in hindsight

You may well be right. This camp is the first chance he's really had to evaluate what the Flames have in the cupboard. GMs always say their organizations have good prospects but the look on Treliving's face during the presser suggests he really means it. I can see a number of changes coming during the season and at the trade deadline. Otherwise, they'll have too many players to try to work into the lineup next fall, especially if the 2015 draft lives up to the hype.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by SofaProfessor

Sven probably gets called up after the first injury to a top 9 forward and then we all forget about this nonsense.

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

My opinion is this shakes out similar to Backlund and in a couple years he is a regular and we forget all about this junk.

He is close and will be up with the team at some point before Christmas, maybe up and down a bit this year before becoming a full time NHL'er next season...with the Flames.

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

Again, there's way too much focus on the opening roster.

Treliving stated yesterday on the Fan (and I'm paraphrasing) that "training camp and preseason is different for the vets than it is for the young guys".

After listening to Treliving and Hartley's interviews the past couple days, noting that Jones and Setoguchi were the extra forwards, acknowledging that we have a GM that believes and has stated numerous times that a prospect cannot be damaged by an extra day, week, month or couple months in the AHL and a little common sense, I am convinced that the Jones, Setoguchis and Widemans of the Flames are on notice and it's only a matter of time for Granlund, Ferland, Baertschi, Wotherspoon, et al.

The stupid focus on "never given, always earned" as ONLY being inclusive of camp and preseason has resulted in people panicking that the roster is set, evaluations are over and anyone over the age of 25 (some would prefer that number to be 20) can settle in for a comfort-filled season of job security. It's just not true. Let's enjoy Johnny Gaudreau's start to his first season and wait until the Flames have 20-30 games in.

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

Conroy on the Fan960 (paraphrasing):

Sven will be coming back up down the line. Sending him down was really tough.

When he has the puck, he's fine. It's when we doesn't, that's where he needs to work. When the puck comes around the boards, getting it out. The little things are what he needs to work on.

His attitude this year is much better than it was last year [I believe this was referring to being sent down].

FWIW.

These!

If Craig and Brad talked to Sven the same way they talked to the media then I don't think Sven has anything to worry about. Work hard for a call up, he is close.

Also, if he wants a trade work hard and light it up in Adi.

Either way, the path to a regular NHL spot is the same: work hard.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

That article is concerning and this thread is full of denial.

Craig Conroy does not seem to think so.

There have been questions about this posed to both Treliving, Hartley and Conroy now in the past two days. All three of them have had great things to say about Baertschi, and all three also convey a sense of high confidence that he will be back to play in Calgary very soon.

This is really looking more and more like a tabloid exaggeration.

[Beatle17]

The comment about several clubs are interested in trade is interesting. How would his dad know that and who gave them permission to talk to other clubs? This isn't like soccer with transfer etc., the club needs to trade him, not his dad.

[Poe969]

In all honesty, I don't think it matters if Sven plays for the Flames. At this point I'd be more than happy trading him for another prospect, pick or young player. He hasn't panned out so far and hasn't done much to show that he belongs. He was our best prospect by default but that's because we really didn't have many prospects at all. I think that has a lot to do with everything going on too. If there are other teams interested in him, let the bidding begin!

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

The comment about several clubs are interested in trade is interesting. How would his dad know that and who gave them permission to talk to other clubs? This isn't like soccer with transfer etc., the club needs to trade him, not his dad.

Interested in a low ball asset acquisition, maybe.

Sven is a big deal in Switzerland hockey circles. In other words hardly anywhere. There is no line up to acquire his services for what the Flames gave up to get him.

Even the biggest Sven fan can see that he did not earn a place on this team. This is one of the worst in the league. If he can't crack this roster, where would he? Would he rather play in BUF?

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Poe969

In all honesty, I don't think it matters if Sven plays for the Flames. At this point I'd be more than happy trading him for another prospect, pick or young player. He hasn't panned out so far and hasn't done much to show that he belongs. He was our best prospect by default but that's because we really didn't have many prospects at all. I think that has a lot to do with everything going on too. If there are other teams interested in him, let the bidding begin!

His value has never been lower, and if the Flames are sincere in their beliefs that he is on the cusp moving him doesn't make much sense right now.

I am not against moving him if you get the right return. I just don't see the right return right now.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Poe969

In all honesty, I don't think it matters if Sven plays for the Flames. At this point I'd be more than happy trading him for another prospect, pick or young player. He hasn't panned out so far and hasn't done much to show that he belongs. He was our best prospect by default but that's because we really didn't have many prospects at all. I think that has a lot to do with everything going on too. If there are other teams interested in him, let the bidding begin!

No. He was the Flames best prospect because he has world-class hands and is nearly an elite level skater. Baertschi has always had warts and flaws that kept him out of the top five at the 2011 draft, but he was always a great prospect. Some of those problems seem to have caught up with him, and he has certainly had his issues the past two years—but he can still be a very good player.

[CliffFletcher]

Baertschi's dad should be grateful his son wasn't drafted by a mickey-mouse organization like the Red Wings, where two to three seasons in the minors to learn a complete game is a standard phase of player development. And now that knuckle-dragging buffoon Yzerman had taken the same approach with the Lightning, who sure don't look like they're going anywhere as a team.

[driveway]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Sven is a big deal in Switzerland hockey circles. In other words hardly anywhere. There is no line up to acquire his services for what the Flames gave up to get him.

The Flames didn't give up anything to acquire his services. We drafted him with our draft pick.

[ricardodw]

The Flames gave Baertschi a real number. Hartley will not be around much longer.

If Burke/Trevling thought that Hartley was going to out-last Baertschi as a Flame they would have had him play 20 games and get his 10 pts or so as he is clearly capable and then trade him for a top young D-man. I don't think there would be a lot of argument that Baertschi would produce... maybe significantly on a line with Monahan or Backlund.

Baertschi just based on his NHL games has as good a NHL record as fellow 22-year old Tyler Toffoli for instance.

Right now the other teams can clearly see that Baertschi is not fitting in with the Flames... His trade value will be very low.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by driveway

The Flames didn't give up anything to acquire his services. We drafted him with our draft pick.

It was a pretty high pick.

[CliffFletcher]

nm

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Hartley will not be around much longer.

Want to bet on that? Hartley isn't going anywhere, which is a good thing.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by driveway

The Flames didn't give up anything to acquire his services. We drafted him with our draft pick.

They gave up the draft pick, opportunity cost. If not Sven, they draft someone else. The point, I think, was recovering the pick.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by kehatch

His value has never been lower, and if the Flames are sincere in their beliefs that he is on the cusp moving him doesn't make much sense right now.

I am not against moving him if you get the right return. I just don't see the right return right now.

How can you be sure his value won't be lower in six months or a year? Because that's the path of most busts. They're worth more at 22 than at 24.

I'm not saying Baertschi is a bust. But if the Flames think he is, then he's worth more now than he will be in the future.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

That article is concerning and this thread is full of denial.

Not concerning to me - don't want to be here? Can't see how coach will make you a better player? Good riddance.

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Originally Posted by troutman

Not concerning to me - don't want to be here? Good riddance.

Exactly this.

If the article has truth behind it and Sven doesn't want to be a Flame, then trade him. This camp alone showed there are plenty of guys interested in battling for a spot, with plenty of upside & potential themselves.

Sven hasn't proven anything yet, IF he thinks he has and thinks he can show that off elsewhere now, power to him, get it done.