Summer 2014 Prospect Ranking Poll Rd8

[Imported_Aussie]

I voted Gillies, since I see starter potential there. I think Reinhart is more likely to play in the NHL regularly, but as a very good third line guy, who might spot duty in the top 6. Interesting to see that vote splitting on the two goalies seems to be giving Reinhart the edge

[sun]

Any of the four horses of this list deserve to win. I'm leaning towards Ortio though. Held his own in the NHL and didn't look half bad. Not great numbers in his first ten games, but not without promise. Could be a starter in this league.

Gilles is too far away to say the same IMO, but he's definitely got that potential. Doesn't he also play for a big-time defensive team? Might be skewing his stats and he had a disappointing world juniors.

Reinhart is awesome and I like Jankowski's potential as well. Tough choice.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by sun

Any of the four horses of this list deserve to win. I'm leaning towards Ortio though. Held his own in the NHL and didn't look half bad. Not great numbers in his first ten games, but not without promise. Could be a starter in this league.

Gilles is too far away to say the same IMO, but he's definitely got that potential. Doesn't he also play for a big-time defensive team? Might be skewing his stats and he had a disappointing world juniors.

Reinhart is awesome and I like Jankowski's potential as well. Tough choice.

Providence is a solid defensive team. They averaged 2.37 goals against this season, which was good enough for 11th in the NCAA (out of 50 teams).

Offensively Providence ranked below national average (29th out of 50), scoring 2.76 goals per game.

I think we would all have a better idea of where Jankowski and Gillies stand if they had been able to participate in the development camp. As it stands they both have a big season ahead of them with a lot to play for.

[Yrebmi]

Originally Posted by Fire

At least it appears the goalies will get the #9 and #10 spots if Gillies can't win this one.

I don't think so. I had thought Gilles would get this one, but looks like Max will. I would guess that Janko gets #9.
I am not yet sold on our goalie prospects, and would speculate management is not either.
BPA drafting aside, MacDonald was taken quite early for a team with total confidence in existing prospects. Then again perhaps he simply was BPA.
Regardless, I went Reinhart, and (assuming he carries the day) I'll vote Janko next.

[SuperMatt18]

We are at 8 and are still battling over Reinhart, Sieloff, Jankowski, Ortio, and Gillies.

While not even mentioning guys like Arnold, Agostino, Ferland, Knight, or Kulak.

Great depth right now.

[agulati]

This is a great sign of the depth we finally possess as a franchise.

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

For those that need it spelled out for them: potential starter > potential bottom six forward.

Can I get you a tissue or a hug from your Mom?

Are you really going to get upset because other posters have a different opinion than you?

Let me spell this out to you. The chances that Gillies or Ortio become a legit #1 starter <<<<<< the chances that Reinhart becomes an everyday NHLer in any capacity. If you want to go boom or bust I hope you have been on Jankowski scince round 4.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

For those voting for Gillies over Ortio, I'm a little confused by that. Ortio has done more in his career so far and has shown no indication he can't be an NHL player. Oh well, it's a good problem to have either way.

I'm a fan of Ortio's, so I won't bad mouth him, but I think Gillies' upside is higher. Ortio closed the gap last season, but I still have Gillies ahead.

The only reason Gillies' sophomore season could even be considered a disappointment is because his freshman year was so good. Overall, his stats were virtually identical from one year to the next. His save percentage was identical, and his GAA went up so slightly that the difference is one goal over 12.5 games. He won 2 more games and lost 3 fewer as a sophomore than as a freshman.

Gillies has started pretty much every game Providence has played over the last two seasons. Other than when he was at the World Juniors, I think there has only been one game each season where the backup started.

Unlike a forward or defenceman, who can have their roles greatly change over the course of a four-year college career, once a goalie is his team's starter, there isn't anywhere for him to progress higher. While it would be nice to see his stats improve from year-to-year, there's also a limit to how much improvement is even possible. He stopped 93 out of every 100 shots he faced as a freshman, just repeating that as a sophomore is pretty impressive.

Ryan Miller is arguably the best goalie to come out of the NCAA. His stats declined from his second to third years at college. Of course, his third year stats were still phenomenal.


Even when he was struggling last season, Gillies still had pretty good numbers. He only allowed 4 goals 5 times all season, and only allowed more than 4 twice -- and one of those was Gaudreau putting up a 4-point game.

By the end of the season, he had overcome whatever problems he was struggling with after the World Juniors, and put together four straight wins to end the season and get the third seed in Hockey East for Providence. He shut out the higher-ranked Quinnipiac in the first round of the NCAA tournament, and lost the second round to the eventual champions. In the loss, he was the only goalie in the NCAA tournament who held Union to fewer than 5 goals.


One last thing to remember about Gillies is that he was putting up his numbers as an 18 year-old NCAA freshman, which is pretty uncommon. Miller and Quick were both 19 year-old freshmen, and neither of them started as many games as freshmen as Gillies has in either of his two seasons.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by getbak

Ryan Miller is arguably the best goalie to come out of the NCAA. His stats declined from his second to third years at college. Of course, his third year stats were still phenomenal.


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Hmmm...interesting thought.

I would start with Ken Dryden in that spot and add Ed Belfour and Curtis Joseph right behind.

[dammage79]

Wow, tight race. Should be expected that things will be tight for the next 5-6 polls.

[BruceCody]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Change from last year
Klimchuk +4
Wotherspoon -1

Tyler took a big step last season, on the other hand Morgan has excellent summer camp

[GettinIggyWithIt]

[QUOTE=Yrebmi;4853846]
I am not yet sold on our goalie prospects, and would speculate management is not either.
BPA drafting aside, MacDonald was taken quite early for a team with total confidence in existing prospects. Then again perhaps he simply was BPA.
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I think management felt he was the best player available. I don't think it's necessarily reflective of their optimism (or lack thereof) in our existing goalie prospects. If you look at most teams who have bonafide goalie prospects, they drafted at least 3-4 within a short period of time. Look at Montreal when it was a goaltending factory, SJ with Kiprusoff, Toskala and Nabakov at one point, Anaheim and Detroit currently. Goalie development is hard to predict and it makes sense to draft a few and not put all your eggs in one basket. I have to think management is happy with the progression of Ortio and Gillies over the last couple of years.

Back on topic - I voted for Gillies, but the race is tight and the decisions get harder from here. It's great to have this much depth for this discussion though.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Yrebmi

I don't think so. I had thought Gilles would get this one, but looks like Max will. I would guess that Janko gets #9.
I am not yet sold on our goalie prospects, and would speculate management is not either.
BPA drafting aside, MacDonald was taken quite early for a team with total confidence in existing prospects. Then again perhaps he simply was BPA.
Regardless, I went Reinhart, and (assuming he carries the day) I'll vote Janko next.

The Flames hadn't taken a goalie since Gillies in 2012, it was logical they were going to take another this draft. Most, myself included, were surprised it happened in the 2nd round but knew it would happen. I wouldn't suggest taken another goalie is any indication they aren't "sold" on our current goalies either. It makes sense to draft a goalie every couple years, teams can't just label a guy as their future goalie and hope it works out. The good teams are the ones who overflow with them. San Jose, Nashville, LA in recent years as examples.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by BruceCody

Tyler took a big step last season, on the other hand Morgan has excellent summer camp

Think you're leaving out where they finished last year aren't you? Klimchuk was too low, Wotherspoon wasn't, so you'd expect to see differentials like that.

I was voting for Klimchuk from round 7 on last year while this year he went 6th. I voted for Wotherspoon in round 6 last year.

[FlameZilla]

Excellent post getbak. You've made a very good case for Gillies as our top goalie prospect.

[Vulcan]

I have Ortio as our 4th best prospect so it's surprising to me not to see him chosen yet. He was obviously the best goalie on our Ahl team and was the backbone of that team. He's probably a year away from the NHL which with the inconsistency of trying to predict goalies is a great position to be in. He gets my vote although Reinhart is a good choice as well.

Gillies is a fine prospect as well but as said he's been playing on a team that looks like the college version of the Wild. There were also stories earlier that he wanted to turn pro this season but Burke wants him back in Providence, so he isn't as ready as some think.

As for Jankowski, he doesn't make my top 12 as he hasn't shown much. From what I've seen and heard, he doesn't engage physically yet. Not writing him off, it's just that we have better prospects.

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Max Power isn't higher than either of out top goalie prospects. Gillies here (by a sliver over Ortio). Has all the tools to be our future starter. Only had a rough WJC, bounced back later in the season though.

For those that need it spelled out for them: potential starter > potential bottom six forward.

I think you might be taking this too seriously

Edit: After reading through your posts it seems you just don't like Reinhart very much

[Nehkara]

Reinhart. He had a stellar AHL season last year.

[TheDebaser]

After last season you have to start thinking of Reinhart as a future middle 6 player. He will be able to play second line minutes at his peak.

[PlayfulGenius]

I have a strong feeling Gillies turns into a top tier nHL
NHL 'tender... Or at least the level of Hiller or Nabokov or Vokoun on their prime.