[Signing] Canucks sign Vrbata (2yrs, $5mil AAV, limited NTC)

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by takumi3000

vancouver is doing no such thing and are stockpiling mediocre prospects right now.

fyp

[Takumi3000]

Originally Posted by Mike F

fyp

Sure they are mediocre. But they ARE prospects and have potential. Not 100% of the NHL's best players are always picked in the top 5 exclusively.

[Mike F]

So their plan is to sign veterans to bridge the gap until their mediocre prospects are ready to break into dribble into the NHL.

That sounds like the Flames of 09/10.

Edit: Benning's attempt to parlay the Ducks pick plus other assets into Sam Reinhart would have been a bold move toward a rebuild, but you don't get more than a participation ribbon for bold moves that fail.

[Takumi3000]

Originally Posted by Mike F

So they're plan is to sign veterans to bridge the gap until their mediocre prospects are ready to break into dribble into the NHL.

That sounds like the Flames of 09/10

We don't know that. All it takes is to develop well or get lucky once to get a corner stone player. Look at the Ducks with Getzlaf (19) and Perry (28). At the very least they can become great supporting players.

If they don't find that player, the Sedins retire, then finally the Canucks will have no other choice but to rebuild.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by getbak

Coaching will be the big question next year. The team went in the toilet after Torts lost his mind. They were 20 points up on the Flames with 32 games left after that game. They were 5 points back of LA and sitting in a playoff spot.

They ended the year 6 points ahead of the Flames, 17 points behind the Kings, and 8 points out of a playoff spot.


Desjardins has had success everywhere he has coached before. He hasn't had a team finish with less than a 500 record in over a decade. Of course, NHL history is full of guys who had success in junior and minor pro who bombed badly in the NHL. All he has to do is look east over the mountains and see one coach who successfully made the jump, and one who didn't.

Not even that far, just a quick gander to the interior.

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by Takumi3000

We don't know that. All it takes is to develop well or get lucky once to get a corner stone player. Look at the Ducks with Getzlaf (19) and Perry (28). At the very least they can become great supporting players.

If they don't find that player, the Sedins retire, then finally the Canucks will have no other choice but to rebuild.

Getzlaf went from 68 pts in 70 games in his draft year to 75 pts in 49 games the year after. Perry went from 78 pts in 67 games to 113 pts in 66 games.

Show me a Canucks prospect on that development curve, and I'll accept your vision as more than a pipe dream

[AC]

Originally Posted by Burke Salad

You are guessing if the twins are the same age?

This is about the funniest thing I've seen on CP in a long time.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Mike F

Getzlaf went from 68 pts in 70 games in his draft year to 75 pts in 49 games the year after. Perry went from 78 pts in 67 games to 113 pts in 66 games.

Show me a Canucks prospect on that development curve, and I'll accept your vision as more than a pipe dream

Shinkaruk!

2014: 5 / 11 / 16
2013: 37 / 49 / 86
2012: 49 / 42 / 91

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by saXon

Also, handcuffed with too many NTC's to count on one hand.

With speculation that Burrows just nixed waiving his NTC, Benning and the Canucks are going to be hurting for a while on some of those deals.

Shades of 2010 Flames.

with the difference being the Canucks through trade have picked up two extra first round picks the last two seasons, and have made two top 10 picks

they aren't trading away 1st/2nd round picks for Vets like the Flames did for Jokinen and Cammileri

the Flames in 2009 Picked Erixon, in 2010 had no 1st

so if they are the 2010 Flames, there's a really good chance the 4 first round picks they had the last 2 seasons are going to help over the next 4 seasons, than what the Flames got out of the 1st round in 09 and 10

Unless the Canucks start trading futures to push for a playoff spot it's not really a close comparison

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Shinkaruk!

2014: 5 / 11 / 16
2013: 37 / 49 / 86
2012: 49 / 42 / 91

I think you put the slide into the projector backwards

[Enoch Root]

that's the joke

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Shinkaruk!

2014: 5 / 11 / 16
2013: 37 / 49 / 86
2012: 49 / 42 / 91

Should've drafted him instead of that bum, Poirier.

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

that's the joke

Ya, I got it, and was continuing on.

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

with the difference being the Canucks through trade have picked up two extra first round picks the last two seasons, and have made two top 10 picks

they aren't trading away 1st/2nd round picks for Vets like the Flames did for Jokinen and Cammileri

the Flames in 2009 Picked Erixon, in 2010 had no 1st

so if they are the 2010 Flames, there's a really good chance the 4 first round picks they had the last 2 seasons are going to help over the next 4 seasons, than what the Flames got out of the 1st round in 09 and 10

Unless the Canucks start trading futures to push for a playoff spot it's not really a close comparison

Calgary traded for Jokinen on March 4, 2009, at which time they were in 3rd place in the Western Conference.

The notion that they should be rebuilding was ridiculous at that time, and isn't an apt comparison for the current Canucks.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Takumi3000

They are nothing like that Flames team of a few years ago. That Flames team traded away picks and prospects to acquire older veterans as a band-aid solution with virtually no decent prospects in the cupboard.

Vancouver is doing no such thing and are stockpiling their prospects right now. They are signing these veterans (Miller, Vrbata) to shorter contracts because their main purpose is to show the upcoming prospects a more winning environment and help them along (unlike what Edmonton is doing).

I don't believe this team will truly rebuild until the Sedins are gone. Does it suck that our chances to grab McDavid went down? Hell yes. Does this team have any hope to compete for a Stanley Cup? Nope. But at least they aren't going to be like the Oilers.

No top end prospects, hate to burst your bubble

[d_phaneuf]

you missed the point, it had nothing to do with standings

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

you missed the point, it had nothing to do with standings

It should have something to do with the status of the team at the relevant time.

Vancouver may have made more 1st round picks, which may leave them with more prospects, but they're also starting at a lower point.

[1991 Canadian]

I'm a little annoyed the Canucks are starting to make good moves. All of Bennings moves have been spot on so far. I agree with some of the previous posters though. I am getting shades of 2010 Calgary.

That said, Calgary still had our star goalie and star forward at that time. It seems like Vancouver is taking a page of Feasters soft rebuild playbook. While I expect Vancouver to finish ahead of the Flames, they could use a few more high impact prospects. Horvat and Virtanen will not be enough in a couple years. Vancouver is particularly lacking in defensive prospects.

[Pliddy]

I'm already starting to hate this Benning guy, is there anyway to reestablish the Gillis/Torts regime? They were the only Canucks that I ever liked

[jesters91]

As much as a dislike the Canuckleheads Benning has made some positive moves for fans on the left coast. I doubt it's anywhere near enough to (at best) challenge for 8th to 10 in the west. Perfect scenario of them being good enough to just miss out on a playoff spot would make my day.