[Trade] Garrison, rights of Jeff Costello and 7th round pick to Tampa for 50th OA

[Red John]

Vancouver lost this trade.

[Red John]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

first year he was good, last year he was really bad but had an injured leg and he lost a lot of strength so he wasn't as good in his own zone

Wait what?

Last season you said this

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

People who think Garrison has been marginal aren't watching games

he has been fantastic defensively

Your defense of everything canucks is hilarious.

[kyuss275]

Ouch. Got to give "Red John" check mate. That's some good digging to take someone down.

[combustiblefuel]

I think this is Just benning desperately trying to avoid a complete rebuild like feaster did. He is living in a glass house with Mr.Denial.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

I think this is Just benning desperately trying to avoid a complete rebuild like feaster did. He is living in a glass house with Mr.Denial.

Trading roster players for draft picks is avoiding a rebuild, if nothing else it is a sign that he is fully accepting of a rebuild that needs to occur? Did you fall off your bike going 80 km/hour without a helmet in order to come to that conclusion.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Trading roster players for draft picks is avoiding a rebuild, if nothing else it is a sign that he is fully accepting of a rebuild that needs to occur? Did you fall off your bike going 80 km/hour without a helmet in order to come to that conclusion.

Yeah, I have to agree. Roster players for picks = rebuild, as does the clearing of cap space.

Unless they use that space to sign Brad Richards. Then a hearty 'Ha Ha!!' will be in order.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Trading roster players for draft picks is avoiding a rebuild, if nothing else it is a sign that he is fully accepting of a rebuild that needs to occur? Did you fall off your bike going 80 km/hour without a helmet in order to come to that conclusion.

No I think he was trying to add a top 3 player If all rumors are true. With his efforts to move players that didnt want to be there (Kesler) and Garrisons contract . IT looked like TO ME that he was looking to add a piece or two for a re-tool rather than a rebuild. Since he wasn't able to acquire the pieces he needed for a re- tool he now is stuck in a rebuild.


Edit. Even with his Duthie interview he deflected the rebuild or retool question. He said "We brought ppl in we think we can win with." I agree there in rebuild mode but Until they admit it I take it as " We retooled and we are making a push." Only after free agency and up even until the Mid point of the season will we really see what benning is planning . With the Canucks only a few years being removed from the final and the first time they have missed the playoffs in a while they are still stuck in the We can win it all still mindset. And at 80/km without a helmet .I wouldn't be say anything .. At anytime or anywhere . I would be dead as you can get.

[The Fonz]

I've never seen a team go tits up like the Casucks have in the last 20 months.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Red John

Wait what?

Last season you said this




Your defense of everything canucks is hilarious.

Good catch. Says how great the player is until they are no longer on their team, then throws them under the bus. Typical

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

No I think he was trying to add a top 3 player If all rumors are true. With his efforts to move players that didnt want to be there (Kesler) and Garrisons contract . IT looked like TO ME that he was looking to add a piece or two for a re-tool rather than a rebuild. Since he wasn't able to acquire the pieces he needed for a re- tool he now is stuck in a rebuild.

How is trading away a roster player, for a second round pick no less, evidence of a re-tool? I would absolutely love to hear the logic behind that statement, because it makes no sense to me. All of the trades made yesterday seem to be indicative of a rebuild with a few rough years ahead. He tried putting together a package for the first overall pick, didn't work... but that is still a futures move, not one meant to make the team competitive next year.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Trading roster players for draft picks is avoiding a rebuild, if nothing else it is a sign that he is fully accepting of a rebuild that needs to occur? Did you fall off your bike going 80 km/hour without a helmet in order to come to that conclusion.

This is more of a salary dump than anything and the Kesler trade isn't exactly what I would call a great trade if you are trying to truly rebuild taking on two roster fillers and a late 1st in a weak draft. It appears to me that the Canucks are trying to free up cap space to make a big UFA splash.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

How is trading away a roster player, for a second round pick no less, evidence of a re-tool? I would absolutely love to hear the logic behind that statement, because it makes no sense to me. All of the trades made yesterday seem to be indicative of a rebuild with a few rough years ahead. He tried putting together a package for the first overall pick, didn't work... but that is still a futures move, not one meant to make the team competitive next year.

What EE said.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Red John

Wait what?

Last season you said this




Your defense of everything canucks is hilarious.

wait so on April 13th 2013 I said

People who think Garrison has been marginal aren't watching games

he has been fantastic defensively

which is close to the end of his 1st year

and then yesterday I said

first year he was good, last year he was really bad but had an injured leg and he lost a lot of strength so he wasn't as good in his own zone

is it your lack of ability to read a calender thats the issue? or my defending the Canucks

Garrison played 2 seasons for the Canucks 2012/2013 = very good
2013/2014 = very bad, although injured

[DOOM]

Not a bad move for the Canucks, just because they dump the salary, the return isn't much right now though.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

wait so on April 13th 2013 I said

People who think Garrison has been marginal aren't watching games

he has been fantastic defensively

which is close to the end of his 1st year

and then yesterday I said

first year he was good, last year he was really bad but had an injured leg and he lost a lot of strength so he wasn't as good in his own zone

is it your lack of ability to read a calender thats the issue? or my defending the Canucks

Garrison played 2 seasons for the Canucks 2012/2013 = very good
2013/2014 = very bad, although injured

I hate the Canucks, but his counter checks out. Poor diligence on the accusation by RedJohn.

[Enoch Root]

Another example of the Nucks selling low.

Garrison was a very good player in 2013. Last year, the entire team imploded. And he was injured.

So they dump him for a 2nd round pick.

Screams of what the Oilers have been doing for the last few years.

[Enoch Root]

And anyone arguing that this trade suggests a full rebuild...

Then how do you explain Kesler for a 26 yr old, a 24 year old, and a pick?

That is not full rebuild.

[d_phaneuf]

regardless of the trade what is wrong with the ages?

they have potentially 10+ years left in their careers, at least 5 or 6 in their 'prime'

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

regardless of the trade what is wrong with the ages?

they have potentially 10+ years left in their careers, at least 5 or 6 in their 'prime'

The fact that they are roster filler and not great prospects maybe. Bonino may turn out to be an okay 2nd liner but you can sign those guys in free agency. I don't like the Canucks so I'm not going to feel bad for you but I don't remember a team in the 30+ years watching the NHL that has had as horrific a 12 month span as the Canucks just have. From cup contender to total complete joke and possibly the worst team in the NHL. I honestly have no idea what Gillis or the new regime is trying to accomplish as it looks like the compilation work of Milbury, Snow, & Lowe.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

regardless of the trade what is wrong with the ages?

they have potentially 10+ years left in their careers, at least 5 or 6 in their 'prime'

Nothing 'wrong' with their ages - simply rebutting the full rebuild argument.

Trading your best player (very debatably) for a package that includes a 26 year old and a 24 year old is not full rebuild. It is definitely more in the retooling-on-the-fly mode.

Oh, and I am willing to make a bet that Bonino isn't a Nuck in 10 years (I would put the over/under at 2.5 or 3.5)