06-23-2014, 08:49 AM
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#81
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
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Originally Posted by burn_this_city
Everyone likes to rave about buying stripped cars to save x amount of money, but anytime I've done that I've regretted it. It's also pretty difficult to buy bare bones luxury cars in this market, you have to either order it yourself or pick one up that someone ordered. I think CPO cars are ridiculously overpriced compared to a similar private sale.
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A stripped down 7 series would suck (although Im not sure that exists). But a bare bones M3 or 135 where you still get all performance/handling, but not the gadgets....nothing wrong with that. But yeah, not always easy to find...although I find that on the used market, the value of options falls drastically anyway, so you tend to get a lot of them for "free".
Obviously the biggest benefit of the CPO is the extended warranty. For a lot of people who are nervous about big bills, the peace of mind is worth the extra 2k you spend, even if you never get it back.
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06-23-2014, 08:59 AM
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#82
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Table 5
I find the new ones to be behind the times as well. By the time they integrate and test out the tech into their cars, they are probably a solid year or two behind whats in your phone. Spending 3k-5k on an in-dash navigation system is terrible value.
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The uConnect system on Dodge/Jeep is pretty decent. Not luxury vehicles by any means, but the 6.5" uConnect system in my Jeep Patriot is pretty decent and the built in Garmin navigation is very good.
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06-23-2014, 09:02 AM
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#83
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While we can’t yet be certain who the driver of this Tacoma is, we have a strong suspicion it’s a gentleman who came in recently with an off-warranty Tacoma seeking service. This is the response our service manager wrote to him when he sent an ominously threatening email of complaint after his visit:
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Wait, so does that mean they have a bunch of people driving that make/model/colour who are pissed off enough that the dealership thinks they might have done this? If you have that many customers who are enraged, maybe you're doing something wrong...
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06-23-2014, 09:22 AM
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#84
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evil of fart
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Originally Posted by Table 5
What's nuts is how expensive they are on the used market, regardless of the well known rust problem.
My dad had one for the last 10 years, and the thing was pretty rock solid though through some pretty heavy abuse, so I still have a soft spot for the Tacoma. Each generation though they seemed to get bigger and uglier.
I do think Toyota reached their peak in the early 90s and haven't been able to replicate that standard since.
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It's totally nuts. I leased an '07 for my business until '11. Lease buyout at the end of the term was $14K (ish). I bought it out and sold it privately for $20K. I highly doubt I'll have that same opportunity when my F-150 ends its term in two years.
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06-23-2014, 10:07 AM
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#85
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Calgary
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We had a 2000 Jetta TDI that we absolutely loved, super fun car to drive, great fuel economy, and the right balance of features VS utility. But we had our share of weird electrical gremlins & surprise repairs. My favourite is still the $100 trunk latch replacement.
Anyways when it came time to replace our Jetta our first stop was the VW dealer, and man, those new Jettas just arean't the same. Tons of bells & whistles, but the drive just isn't the same. It's downright boring.
Anyways long story short we ended up with a very stripped down Mazda2 instead, no cruise, no seat warmers, no bluetooth, no keyless entry, but I also don't have a Christmas tree of lights on the dashboard chiming the arrival of our next repair bill either. And it's *almost* as much fun to drive as our old Jetta, and miles ahead of the current VW's we drove.
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06-23-2014, 11:03 AM
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#86
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by jaydorn
We had a 2000 Jetta TDI that we absolutely loved, super fun car to drive, great fuel economy, and the right balance of features VS utility. But we had our share of weird electrical gremlins & surprise repairs. My favourite is still the $100 trunk latch replacement.
Anyways when it came time to replace our Jetta our first stop was the VW dealer, and man, those new Jettas just arean't the same. Tons of bells & whistles, but the drive just isn't the same. It's downright boring.
Anyways long story short we ended up with a very stripped down Mazda2 instead, no cruise, no seat warmers, no bluetooth, no keyless entry, but I also don't have a Christmas tree of lights on the dashboard chiming the arrival of our next repair bill either. And it's *almost* as much fun to drive as our old Jetta, and miles ahead of the current VW's we drove.
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I would rather have that repair then replace the passenger airbag because the sensor failed, who knows if that was legit, I lean towards not. I had a 2013 Jetta as a loaner and I hated it, it seemed really cheap inside and I don't like the new body style.
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06-23-2014, 02:26 PM
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#87
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Lifetime Suspension
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Yeah, unfortunately the Jetta did get dumbed down a bit, but it is also $7000 cheaper on average, across the board, from what the car cost 15 years ago. Jetta is North Americas deal. People in Europe hate them, and North American buyer seem to love realtor/rental fleet calibre sedans. So when they decided to design it for the N/A market, they put the typical NA buyer in mind, and just built a plain old boring car with a lot of the niceties trimmed out on the entry models. And we have never sold more of them. Price trumps all for the typical sedan buyer.
The new MKVII golf on the other hand, unbelievable. I didn't think they would up the anti of the MKVI but the car is leaps nicer in every dept. And the fit and finish on it is Audiesque all the way.
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06-23-2014, 02:55 PM
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#88
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
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Part of me was hoping that humanity would redeem itself and the Walmart Jetta would be a massive flop, but you just knew that crapbox would be a hit at that price. Most people just don't give a crap about quality, but just want the cheapest biggest thing around.
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06-23-2014, 03:17 PM
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#89
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Table 5
Part of me was hoping that humanity would redeem itself and the Walmart Jetta would be a massive flop, but you just knew that crapbox would be a hit at that price. Most people just don't give a crap about quality, but just want the cheapest biggest thing around.
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There still is the GLI though. It has all the cache of the previous car. Soft touch throughout, seat bolsters, Aluminum trim, euro stitching, Xenons....etc etc.
It is kinda weird how we have 2 vastly different cars now, that are still the same car. It used to be the base of the car was the same throughout, and you just upped the content level. But it is almost like they have a "North American Fancy" and "North American AAA grade" car now.
However on the flip side, we actually have an entry level car everyone can afford, and we are seeing a buyer we never had before. With all the rebates and incentives right now, you can drive ou of here with a 5spd Jetta with AC and all the power goodies for +/- $16000 + tax. That same car with crank windows, manual mirrors, no bum warmers and the same power train sold for 24900 + tax in 2001. So it's not all bad.
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06-23-2014, 03:37 PM
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#90
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
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Originally Posted by pylon
However on the flip side, we actually have an entry level car everyone can afford, and we are seeing a buyer we never had before. With all the rebates and incentives right now, you can drive ou of here with a 5spd Jetta with AC and all the power goodies for +/- $16000 + tax. That same car with crank windows, manual mirrors, no bum warmers and the same power train sold for 24900 + tax in 2001. So it's not all bad.
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I bet you that 2001 base Jetta still drove like a proper German car though.
I understand why VW made it, and why people buy it, but a little part of is still sad to see VW going down that route. While you're getting access to a whole new market, I think by dumbing things down, you're going to lose some of the brand equity that made VW a little different. But with world domination on the brain, It's not a huge surprise they are going this way. I just wish they would bring us cars like the Scirocco or Transporter at the same time!
Btw, what exactly is euro stitching, and what makes it euro?
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06-23-2014, 03:50 PM
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#91
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Originally Posted by Table 5
I bet you that 2001 base Jetta still drove like a proper German car though.
I understand why VW made it, and why people buy it, but a little part of is still sad to see VW going down that route. While you're getting access to a whole new market, I think by dumbing things down, you're going to lose some of the brand equity that made VW a little different. But with world domination on the brain, It's not a huge surprise they are going this way. I just wish they would bring us cars like the Scirocco or Transporter at the same time!
Btw, what exactly is euro stitching, and what makes it euro?
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Stitched on both sides of the seam. A lot of non-euro manufacturers are going to it, but it makes the stitch part of the aesthetic, not just a method of holding the seat together. At least that is what a VW training course told me once.
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06-23-2014, 03:58 PM
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#92
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by pylon
...That same car with crank windows, manual mirrors, no bum warmers and the same power train sold for 24900 + tax in 2001. So it's not all bad.
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Originally Posted by Table 5
I bet you that 2001 base Jetta still drove like a proper German car though.
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Confirmed, my 2000 had all those great features and a tape deck to boot! But drove like a dream.
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06-23-2014, 04:11 PM
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#93
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Lifetime Suspension
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The pre-City edition MKIV's were incredibly tight cars. Those cars revived VW in North America no doubt. You could put the fit and finish of them up against anything, and they held their own.
The GLX VR6 Jetta was just an awesome car, almost like a baby 328i, but they were 37-40k! The stupid thing is, I remember selling them back then at full retail (especially silver ones) @ 7.9%...... and it was like fishing with dynamite.
Now you tell a customer a new 220 HP MKVII GTI is $34900 @ 1.9% and they react "OMG11!!!1!!1 Your interest is so HIGH and carz so expense!1!1!!!!1"
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06-23-2014, 04:17 PM
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#94
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by pylon
The pre-City edition MKIV's were incredibly tight cars. Those cars revived VW in North America no doubt. You could put the fit and finish of them up against anything, and they held their own.
The GLX VR6 Jetta was just an awesome car, almost like a baby 328i, but they were 37-40k! The stupid thing is, I remember selling them back then at full retail (especially silver ones) @ 7.9%...... and it was like fishing with dynamite.
Now you tell a customer a new 220 HP MKVII GTI is $34900 @ 1.9% and they react "OMG11!!!1!!1 Your interest is so HIGH and carz so expense!1!1!!!!1"
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Dammit, now this thread is just making me miss my Jetta again. Can we get back to discussing rusted out Tacomas? Or how crappy Pontiac Sunfires were?
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06-23-2014, 04:35 PM
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#95
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Not a casual user
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
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A little off topic but why are Canadian auto retailers advertising bi weekly payments as opposed to monthly?
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06-23-2014, 04:36 PM
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#96
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The new goggles also do nothing.
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary
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Makes it sound smaller. That's my guess anyway.
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06-23-2014, 04:41 PM
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#97
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Not a casual user
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
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Originally Posted by photon
Makes it sound smaller. That's my guess anyway.
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I'd like to know if it's really working in making car buyers think they have smaller payments when in reality they don't. Maybe it's just a way to get the car buyer into the showroom where the sales person has a chance to sell his product.
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06-23-2014, 04:45 PM
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#98
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Atomic Nerd
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by pylon
Stitched on both sides of the seam. A lot of non-euro manufacturers are going to it, but it makes the stitch part of the aesthetic, not just a method of holding the seat together. At least that is what a VW training course told me once.

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Meanwhile, Toyota brings you the best in American (f*** yeah!) stitching.
Seriously...if there is one thing that turned me off the new RAV4 immediately, it's this. That's not actual leather or thread. It's one-piece molded plastic. If there is one thing more annoying than fake carbon fiber on everything (they did this too on the RAV4 interior), it's FAKE STITCHING and it's on every model from base to top end. So glad I didn't buy this!
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06-23-2014, 04:49 PM
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#99
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Dion
A little off topic but why are Canadian auto retailers advertising bi weekly payments as opposed to monthly?
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Good lord does that trend drive me insane.
But photon's exactly right. Same reason you're quoted monthly (or-biweekly) payments instead of total purchase price. So joe consumer sits back and says "Gee, only $350 every other week? I can afford that!" And yes, I think it works. Which is why you're seeing it more and more.
No different than the old line of "for less than the price of a cup of coffee a day". Break it down into small manageable chunks and debt doesn't seem that bad to most people.
/wrgmg
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06-23-2014, 04:50 PM
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#100
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube
If there is one thing more annoying than fake carbon fiber on everything (they did this too on the RAV4 interior), it's FAKE STITCHING.
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I'd place fake hood scoops/ram air vents on the top of that list. I'm looking at you, Mustang.
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