[Rumour] Chris Butler won't be back

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Scoutski

At the very least, this might open up a good battle in camp. The Flames might be pushing to have one of the young guys come in and earn a spot. This would be the best result for fans, if it doesn't pan out they can make a trade.

That or we pick up a UFA player, I like mine better though.

The only two defencemen IMO who are anywhere close to making the Flames are Breen and Wotherspoon, so I don't see much of a battle. We only have 5 NHL defencemen signed so we need to get another one, either through trade or the UFA market.

Maybe Cundari or Billins but they are small and we aren't going small.

[neo45]

So why wasn't he traded at the deadline? A 7th for Butler and a 3rd for Cammalleri sounds pretty good right now as opposed to absolutely nothing

[getbak]

Originally Posted by neo45

So why wasn't he traded at the deadline? A 7th for Butler and a 3rd for Cammalleri sounds pretty good right now as opposed to absolutely nothing

What makes you think any team was interested in acquiring him at the deadline?

[Sandman]

I'm hoping we can pick up someone big, mean, and physical to add to Smid's contributions. We have enough small quick guys to do all the freewheelin'.

[kyuss275]

Wideman going to be the new whipping boy on D?

Butler was not great but playing 5/6th man was alright. Won't be surprised if the new guy signed ends up being Butler 2.0. Not a big D market this year and a rebuilding team will have trouble getting a top 4 ufa.Think Wotherspoon starts in the AHL next year.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by getbak

What makes you think any team was interested in acquiring him at the deadline?

A lot of mediocre Dmen with bigger salaries than Butler were moved at the deadline, so it can be reasonably assumed that he could have been traded

[#-3]

Originally Posted by neo45

So why wasn't he traded at the deadline? A 7th for Butler and a 3rd for Cammalleri sounds pretty good right now as opposed to absolutely nothing

I wish I could thumbs down every post that brings something like this up. Calgary and Abbotsford still had to ice teams. And our coaches still had to build a winning culture.

The thing people who wish we had 12 draft picks every year miss is the contract limit prevents you from carrying that many prospects.

Think of it this way.

23 NHL players
37 contract spots left over
3 year entry level Deals, so if you make 12 draft picks every year and sign them all, no second contracts for guys who haven't "made it" like Ortio this year. No undrafted Free Agents Like Giordano. Because we are already carrying 49/50 contracts.

If you go the other way and pick a bunch of players then only sign 1/2 of them you end up with Stoll or St Louis situations, where we had the rights to perfectly good players but just tossed them away, then you would really have something to complain about.

Take your ~7 picks per year make them count, don't give assets away for nothing even if you are just going to loss them anyways. It will make you look stupid.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

The only two defencemen IMO who are anywhere close to making the Flames are Breen and Wotherspoon, so I don't see much of a battle. We only have 5 NHL defencemen signed so we need to get another one, either through trade or the UFA market.

Maybe Cundari or Billins but they are small and we aren't going small.

It will be interesting to see how Sieloff is doing at development camp.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by #-3

It will be interesting to see how Sieloff is doing at development camp.

Likely he will look a full season behind.

[Icon]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Wideman going to be the new whipping boy on D?

Butler was not great but playing 5/6th man was alright. Won't be surprised if the new guy signed ends up being Butler 2.0. Not a big D market this year and a rebuilding team will have trouble getting a top 4 ufa.Think Wotherspoon starts in the AHL next year.

I think Witherspoon showed enough last year for him to be pecilled in as #6. But I agree they'll sign someone so that can change

[neo45]

Originally Posted by #-3

I wish I could thumbs down every post that brings something like this up. Calgary and Abbotsford still had to ice teams. And our coaches still had to build a winning culture.

The thing people who wish we had 12 draft picks every year miss is the contract limit prevents you from carrying that many prospects.

Think of it this way.

23 NHL players
37 contract spots left over
3 year entry level Deals, so if you make 12 draft picks every year and sign them all, no second contracts for guys who haven't "made it" like Ortio this year. No undrafted Free Agents Like Giordano. Because we are already carrying 49/50 contracts.

If you go the other way and pick a bunch of players then only sign 1/2 of them you end up with Stoll or St Louis situations, where we had the rights to perfectly good players but just tossed them away, then you would really have something to complain about.

Take your ~7 picks per year make them count, don't give assets away for nothing even if you are just going to loss them anyways. It will make you look stupid.

I "thought of it this way" and it makes no sense. Trading Butler and Cammy would have left us with 43 contracts and 9 picks in this year's draft...


St. Louis? Stoll? Giordano? This post is all over the place and makes no sense to me. Please explain why more draft picks is a bad thing that leads to running out of contract room and how draft picks had ANYTHING to do with St Louis or Giordano, because you really lost me with those comparables. St louis especially who we did sign (you said we didnt) and didnt come to us through the draft (same as Gio?)

Not to mention you are blatantly wrong about all entry level deals being three years...

[mile]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

The only two defencemen IMO who are anywhere close to making the Flames are Breen and Wotherspoon, so I don't see much of a battle. We only have 5 NHL defencemen signed so we need to get another one, either through trade or the UFA market.

Maybe Cundari or Billins but they are small and we aren't going small.

Yeah - Wotherspoon is likely better off with another year in the AHL so another defenseman needs to be acquired for at least for competition.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by neo45

I "thought of it this way" and it makes no sense. Trading Butler and Cammy would have left us with 43 contracts and 9 picks in this year's draft...


St. Louis? Stoll? Giordano? This post is all over the place and makes no sense to me. Please explain why more draft picks is a bad thing that leads to running out of contract room and how draft picks had ANYTHING to do with St Louis or Giordano, because you really lost me with those comparables. St louis especially who we did sign (you said we didnt) and didnt come to us through the draft (same as Gio?)

Not to mention you are blatantly wrong about all entry level deals being three years...

I'll go with point form then.

1. If you start losing on purpose, its hard to stop. Look North.

2. With the draft Quantity does not imply quality. Just get the picks you have right.

3. You can trade for all of the magic beans that you want, there is a limit to how many you can keep control of. The CBA goes to great lengths to limit rich teams from keeping control of all the prospects.

4. If you trade Cammaleri for 3rd this year, you will trade Glencross for a 4th next year, and Hudler for a 5th the year after. Because the other GMs wont care that was all you could get, they will just cut your throat the next year because your the tpye to buckle

[Freeway]

Always liked Chris. Huge baseball fan, always willing to chat about that or hockey. Good veteran presence in locker room. A shame he never had more on-ice success in Calgary.

[CSharp]

Dang, I was just getting to like him because that's what the Flames needed in order to tank. Flames get better this upcoming season and chances of getting McDavid gets less and less. Actually, Butler was not too bad last season. Hartley and the coaching staff did wonders with him when Sutter failed.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by neo45

So why wasn't he traded at the deadline? A 7th for Butler and a 3rd for Cammalleri sounds pretty good right now as opposed to absolutely nothing

Once you start taking what you can get in trades other GMs will be more likely to low ball you. If you refuse to move players unless they return the value that you place on them is offered you are more likely to get more decent offers. Giving a player away just for the same of having another long shot in the draft just isn't worth it.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Side note to this, what does everyone imagine Hitler's nickname would be if he played in the NHL? The obvious choice would be 'Führer', but I think the wealth of creativity in the league would hook him up with 'Hits'.

Killer.

[Fire]

Any surprise Butler hasn't signed anywhere? I think it goes to show the lack of perceived value he has among the other teams. It proves to me he had no value at the trade deadline.

I see no more than a 2 year deal worth $4 million total for Butler.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Fire

Any surprise Butler hasn't signed anywhere?

No.

Butler is terrible. Terrible doesn't get signed quickly, if at all.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

If he stays in the NHL - which is not a given in my opinion - I hope he signs with a division rival.

Yes, let one of the best shot blockers in the league play for our rivals, that would totally be beneficial to us