I'd say he's easily worth a 15-30 pick. Top 5 no way, 5-15 need to think long and hard.
what percentage of 5-15 picks over the last 10 years have produced a better player than ROR
not many, if the Avs lose him you will see how good of a player he is...he puts up the points yes, also creates a lot of room and does things at both ends of the ice
what percentage of 5-15 picks over the last 10 years have produced a better player than ROR
not many, if the Avs lose him you will see how good of a player he is...he puts up the points yes, also creates a lot of room and does things at both ends of the ice
Some percentage have, so I would need to decide if he is enough for me to give up that chance. It also depends on the specific draft and who might be available.
With top minutes on a team with many offensive weapons he still only had 64 points. I'm all for acquiring him but not at the expense of our first next year because I believe that player could be a true top line player. A game breaker. Franchise player. Don't see that in O'Reilly. Quality player but still a second tier player in my opinion. A player like Krejci has many similar qualities but he's still not a Getzlaf, Toews, Kopitar, Crosby, Giroux, etc. There are no guarantees but as things sit right now the top end of next years draft looks very good and we look like we will be picking from that group. Not to mention the additional assets we would lose in an offer sheet situation. If that is what it takes to land him it's not worth it in my opinion.
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Well, unlike that picture of calm above, it officially has gotten frosty again between Ryan O’Reilly and the Avalanche. Sunday’s move by the team to elect for salary arbitration with their leading goal-scorer of 2013-14 did not seem to go over too well with Pat Morris, part of the mammoth Newport Sports Agency that represents O’Reilly.
Morris did an interview today with the excellent “Hockey Central” show from Canada’s Sportsnet, and it’s clear the Avs move to “arb” one of their “special players” – Morris’ words – didn’t go over well at Newport Sports.
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“Ryan is unrestricted in two years, and under the model now, given that Colorado has arbed him, short-term looks like what the future is for Ryan going forward, possibly year to year or for the next two years….some people might look a little sideways that a team has done that to a special player, but they certainly have the business right to do that and Ryan is mature, but there’s a history a little bit on the previous contract and Ryan is a stubborn young man.”
So, basically, start your trade rumors everyone. After a night of thinking it over and chatting with a few others, I’m mostly of the belief now that the Avs will try to trade O’Reilly, quite possibly very soon. Why so soon? Well, under a new wrinkle in the CBA, other teams can actually call and talk to free agents on June 25 – restricted and unrestricted players. They can’t negotiate on actual numbers (wink-wink), but they can call and shoot the breeze all they want and try to see if it would be a “fit” for the two to do business together once July 1st rolls around.
Fact that he is UFA in 2 years is another reason I'm not interested unless the deal makes sense. Offer sheeting does not. A sign and trade possibly but you need to lock him up for some UFA years so he doesn't bolt and you gave up top end assets for nothing.
I'd actually love that deal. O'Reilly has a dream situation in Colorado with all that young talent, is overpaid already and is still complaining. Let him try playing in Winnipeg for a few years.
Evander Kane for RoR makes sense to me value wise.
Though I think Colorado would prefer a top pairing D in return.
Kane is bigger tougher faster and scores more goals than RoR. 100 to 75 in the same number of NHL games. Kane is also locked up for 4 years at 5.25M
Why would Winnipeg make that trade?
If the Jets are thinking that Kane has top out as a 22 year old after last season where he was playing hurt then the Flames should be putting together a Backlund/Baertschi/Hudler/Wideman package together.
I would much rather have Evander Kane on the Flames than O'Rielly or Spezza.
Kane is bigger tougher faster and scores more goals than RoR. 100 to 75 in the same number of NHL games. Kane is also locked up for 4 years at 5.25M
Why would Winnipeg make that trade?
If the Jets are thinking that Kane has top out as a 22 year old after last season where he was playing hurt then the Flames should be putting together a Backlund/Baertschi/Hudler/Wideman package together.
I would much rather have Evander Kane on the Flames than O'Rielly or Spezza.
Winnipeg makes that trade every day of the week in my opinion.
O' Reilly is a winner and a 200 foot player, that shows up every night.
Kane is bigger tougher faster and scores more goals than RoR. 100 to 75 in the same number of NHL games. Kane is also locked up for 4 years at 5.25M
Why would Winnipeg make that trade?
If the Jets are thinking that Kane has top out as a 22 year old after last season where he was playing hurt then the Flames should be putting together a Backlund/Baertschi/Hudler/Wideman package together.
I would much rather have Evander Kane on the Flames than O'Rielly or Spezza.
pts/g they are very similar up to this point in their careers. Kane has more offensive potential but RoR is better defensively.
and its not 100% the Jets want to move Kane. It has been rumored/speculated for years that Kane wants to leave.
Also Kane for RoR is more of a quality for quality deal instead of a quality for quantity deal. Moving Kane for RoR probably helps the Jets get into the playoffs faster than a package of depth players and/or picks and prospects.
I take Ryan O'Reilly 10 times out of 10 over Evander Kane.
Besides the fact that he plays a more vital position, he doesn't (to date) seem like a complete and utter DB off the ice, skipping out on tabs, twitter pic'ing himself with stacks of cash and coming across like a complete malcontent.
Wouldn't call him an angel either. Second time in two years he can't come to a contract agreement and he's already making a good amount of cash. If he's not willing to be reasonable on a team like Colorado definitely don't see him doing the Flames any favors.
