Toll Roads in Calgary within a decade

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by GGG

Its density based pricing rather than a flat rate. Work 5 to 3 and you dont pay any tolls, work outside of the main arteries, you dont pay any tolls, car pool, you dont pay any tolls. Drive 20k on deerfoot each day at 7:30 and 5:00 with only you in the vehicle, you get to pay for your increades impact.

It allows us to target those with the highest impact on traffic flow during rush hour rather than the guy who goes to the mountains on the weekend.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful

Build new roads and put a toll on them? I'm cool with that.

Put tolls on the rush hour cluster####s that are Glenmore and Crowchild, with no overhauls to their design? Go yourself.

This is pretty much my thought. Our major arteries are far too substandard to toll unless you fix them first, or explicitly promise that you'll fix them with the toll money. But they won't.

[SebC]

Just want to say that the ring road is about the last road that should be tolled. The whole point of it is to relieve congestion on roads that actually matter.

[DoubleF]

I find that big rigs or other transport vehicles often clog up lanes during rush hour mainly due to their braking and acceleration "weakness". Any way to focus on them removed from our roads during rush hour first before rolling out changes to everyone else?

I think the toll thing would be interesting. But I'd rather see them do something like convert:
Centre street (Riverfront Ave to Mcknight)
Elbow Drive? (26th Ave to Glenmore)
and Memorial drive(shaganappi-barlow trail)
to pure car pool/special permit only at rush hour; with maybe a dedicated full lane for bikes could be doable on one of the lane reversal lanes (Centre/Memorial) during rush hour. The road then reverts to public non-carpool after rush hour (I would just make it the same as the lane reversal expiry).

My reasoning is that main arteries will always be clogged. However, being able to pay for a West to East and North/South cross city bypass around downtown during rush hour would be something. I also tried to chose central roads parallel to super artery problem areas and giving incentives to carpooling. Furthermore, I tried to just use things already implemented in the city (lane reversals, request for carpooling etc.) and something that doesn't require lots of changes (put cops on a rush hour only road rather than tag people speeding on major arteries which kinda helps traffic flow).

To collect, just post cops on the road to ticket single occupant vehicles without permits. Communities straddling the rush hour toll roads could probably be given a minor discount on property taxes or something. If they want a permit, they should have to apply like everyone else. Such roads might even benefit emergency vehicles during rush hour.

What do you guys think?

[Eagle Eye]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

I find that big rigs or other transport vehicles often clog up lanes during rush hour mainly due to their braking and acceleration "weakness". Any way to focus on them removed from our roads during rush hour first before rolling out changes to everyone else?

Just to add, I often wonder why Backhoes and other slow moving vehicles are allowed to be driven during rush hour?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Somewhat insane idea to put tolls on existing roads and charge 5 bucks.

Aren't most toll roads just companion freeways? In toronto if you don't want to pay the toll on the 407 you can just take the 401.

If you don't want to pay the toll on the deerfoot/crowchild ect..you will end up clogging up other roads...this plan makes zero sense, what am i missing?

And the best part there is those other roads would primarily be residential streets.


Anyway, as far as tolling the highway entrances goes, I would kill myself laughing if Rockyview and Foothills counties responded by setting up tolls at twice the cost for vehicles leaving Calgary and entering their jurisdictions.

[Tron_fdc]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Anyway, as far as tolling the highway entrances goes, I would kill myself laughing if Rockyview and Foothills counties responded by setting up tolls at twice the cost for vehicles leaving Calgary and entering their jurisdictions.

I'm sure Bragg Creek would make a KILLING in the summer from all the bikers and campers. Same with Longview

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

I find that big rigs or other transport vehicles often clog up lanes during rush hour mainly due to their braking and acceleration "weakness". Any way to focus on them removed from our roads during rush hour first before rolling out changes to everyone else?

You want to remove the vehicles that are actually using the roads to make money so people commuting from their jobs can have a tiny difference in their drive? It should be the other way around. How can we remove all the single occupant drivers commuting to and from their jobs from the major highways so the transport industry doesn't have to ride their brakes though Calgary?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

And the best part there is those other roads would primarily be residential streets.


Anyway, as far as tolling the highway entrances goes, I would kill myself laughing if Rockyview and Foothills counties responded by setting up tolls at twice the cost for vehicles leaving Calgary and entering their jurisdictions.

Huh? The businesses inside those areas wouldn't. That would be economic suicide for those areas.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Eagle Eye

Just to add, I often wonder why Backhoes and other slow moving vehicles are allowed to be driven during rush hour?

becasue the people driving them would like to get home too?

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

You want to remove the vehicles that are actually using the roads to make money so people commuting from their jobs can have a tiny difference in their drive? It should be the other way around. How can we remove all the single occupant drivers commuting to and from their jobs from the major highways so the transport industry doesn't have to ride their brakes though Calgary?

Actually, I was hoping they would use the road an hour or two earlier or later. I have no issues with them on the road cruising along. I don't like the situation where they have to slam the brakes every few minutes because 5 morons are simultaneously cutting them off.

I did mention in the earlier post about converting lane reversal roads to carpool only roads, use of bike lanes on those roads and was hoping all these items in tandem gives everyone the opportunity to get home quicker.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

I find that big rigs or other transport vehicles often clog up lanes during rush hour mainly due to their braking and acceleration "weakness".

Accelerating and decelerating slowly actually makes traffic flow better:

http://trafficwaves.org/

[SebC]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

Accelerating and decelerating slowly actually makes traffic flow better:

http://trafficwaves.org/

Sudden braking definitely causes traffic waves, as does accelerating to the point where you are forced to break. But it's also true that accelerating faster out of a bottleneck/traffic light/traffic wave improves traffic flow, so in that sense, slow/heavy vehicles, and vehicles driven by grandma do cause traffic.

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

I agree! I live inner city and I also don't have children. So give me back all of my taxes that go to education as well. I'm not planning on having children. Parents should fund the majority of education.

not sure why this is in green....