05-06-2014, 07:24 PM
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It'll be hilarious if Baertschi lights it up at the Worlds and all the naysayers eat crow... though I imagine it'll be one of the tastiest things they ever eat.
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05-06-2014, 07:56 PM
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#82
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzzy14
It'll be hilarious if Baertschi lights it up at the Worlds and all the naysayers eat crow... though I imagine it'll be one of the tastiest things they ever eat.
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Matt Lombardi lit it up at the worlds.... 6 goals 12 pts in 9 games (highest scorer on Team Canada) on the last Canadian Gold medal team in 2007.
He was coming off a 20 goal season after the explosion at the world cup he never got 20 goals in a season topping out with 19 in Phoenix in 2010.
The Baertschi induced crow eating will come when he scores 30 in an NHL season. That did not seem so far fetched a year ago.
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05-06-2014, 08:02 PM
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#83
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Lombardi also went through a series of injuries, for without them, he would have been a decent 2nd line ~50 point, defensively responsible centre.
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05-06-2014, 08:16 PM
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#84
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzzy14
It'll be hilarious if Baertschi lights it up at the Worlds and all the naysayers eat crow... though I imagine it'll be one of the tastiest things they ever eat.
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Naysayers? What is wrong with some of you?
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05-06-2014, 08:22 PM
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I liked what Treliving said about Baertschi, if he didn't come up and score those 3 in 5 games, everyone would be looking at him differently.
Everyone would be saying here's a guy that's got brilliance but is developing a bit slower than usual.
I mean when Sven and Sean had the same amount of games I think they had the same amount of points, yet nobody called Monahan a bust or talked about trading him...
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05-07-2014, 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by TheKing
I liked what Treliving said about Baertschi, if he didn't come up and score those 3 in 5 games, everyone would be looking at him differently.
Everyone would be saying here's a guy that's got brilliance but is developing a bit slower than usual.
I mean when Sven and Sean had the same amount of games I think they had the same amount of points, yet nobody called Monahan a bust or talked about trading him...
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Exactly... And you're correct, at 51 games, Monny was 16-8 and Sven was 8-16, totaling 24 points.
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05-07-2014, 02:53 AM
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I have no doubt that Baertchi can be a hemsky (or any oiler for that matter). I'd rather have a Datsyuk. I want a winner not an oiler.
Sven could have been given carte Blanche, and spent the whole year with the Flames. Might have got 35-40points. Could have been called a successful developmental year as a consensus. But that wasn't the right way.
I still think it was a good developmental year.
The reason I have suggested trading Sven is that there is a surplus of small left wingers in the organization. Specifically, I think Sven could be the centerpiece in trade for an additional top 5 pick (not involving the #4 pick).
Whether that's not the case or not, I hope Sven succeeds and takes advantage of his opportunities.
Regardless of how well Sven does, I'm pretty sure that almost every Flame fan can agree that there is no way that a future flames lineup will include all of Sven, Johnny, Granlund, Hudler, Reinhart, and Backlund. Sure some of those players might bust, but be assured that this Flames regime some or all of these players for size.
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05-07-2014, 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
Matt Lombardi lit it up at the worlds.... 6 goals 12 pts in 9 games (highest scorer on Team Canada) on the last Canadian Gold medal team in 2007.
He was coming off a 20 goal season after the explosion at the world cup he never got 20 goals in a season topping out with 19 in Phoenix in 2010.
The Baertschi induced crow eating will come when he scores 30 in an NHL season. That did not seem so far fetched a year ago.
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Lombo was older and wasn't coming out of the minors. His ceiling was arguably known.
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05-07-2014, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by dying4acup
I have no doubt that Baertchi can be a hemsky (or any oiler for that matter). I'd rather have a Datsyuk. I want a winner not an oiler.
Sven could have been given carte Blanche, and spent the whole year with the Flames. Might have got 35-40points. Could have been called a successful developmental year as a consensus. But that wasn't the right way.
I still think it was a good developmental year.
The reason I have suggested trading Sven is that there is a surplus of small left wingers in the organization. Specifically, I think Sven could be the centerpiece in trade for an additional top 5 pick (not involving the #4 pick).
Whether that's not the case or not, I hope Sven succeeds and takes advantage of his opportunities.
Regardless of how well Sven does, I'm pretty sure that almost every Flame fan can agree that there is no way that a future flames lineup will include all of Sven, Johnny, Granlund, Hudler, Reinhart, and Backlund. Sure some of those players might bust, but be assured that this Flames regime some or all of these players for size.
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Well said. You have to trade from a position of strength and if we have a surplus anywhere, it's smallish/skilled LW'ers. And in order to get quality, you (typically) need to give quality. I don't see including Sven in trade talks as 'hate' but more being realistic in what other GM's would be interested in acquiring.
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05-07-2014, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by dying4acup
I have no doubt that Baertchi can be a hemsky (or any oiler for that matter). I'd rather have a Datsyuk. I want a winner not an oiler.
Sven could have been given carte Blanche, and spent the whole year with the Flames. Might have got 35-40points. Could have been called a successful developmental year as a consensus. But that wasn't the right way.
I still think it was a good developmental year.
The reason I have suggested trading Sven is that there is a surplus of small left wingers in the organization. Specifically, I think Sven could be the centerpiece in trade for an additional top 5 pick (not involving the #4 pick).
Whether that's not the case or not, I hope Sven succeeds and takes advantage of his opportunities.
Regardless of how well Sven does, I'm pretty sure that almost every Flame fan can agree that there is no way that a future flames lineup will include all of Sven, Johnny, Granlund, Hudler, Reinhart, and Backlund. Sure some of those players might bust, but be assured that this Flames regime some or all of these players for size.
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Backlund is a center and Granlund and Reinhart can play center. Backlund is not under 6' tall, nor is Reinhart. Johnny can likely play either wing, given his style of play. I think we will need to have 3 lines that can score moving forward.
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05-09-2014, 03:49 PM
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Glenn Campbell
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Some bad news at the Worlds, @SvenBaertschi suffered an upper body injury, we're told it doesn't look good. Kid just can't catch a break.
(totally missed it in the WC thread)
Last edited by Madman; 05-09-2014 at 03:53 PM.
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05-09-2014, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
Let me start with Baertshi has tremendous skills and if he can get it together will be a great player. On the minus side this season has been a step back and he only has one more season of being waiver ineligible, so he has to put it together fairly soon.
I put some of the blame on Flames prior management, the media and us fans for putting him on a pedestal and making outrageous predictions for his rookie season, but still he needs to get over it and come down to earth in his own mind. Backlund went through a little bit of the same and is coming out pretty well so I hope the same can happen with Sven.
One more thought is that he's been passed by Granlund and Reinhart and we have a new player in Gaudreau who is very much like Sven, so I wouldn't be disappointed if Sven was traded.
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I agree, previous management raised the fan's expectation bar way too high that Sven was set up to fail. I still think he's a good prospect, but lack of experience from the previous regime may have set Sven's ego through the roof and thus his development back a year or two. But, I love the way Burke (and hopefully Treliving) manages expectations (see; Joe Colburne) and hopefully Sven turns things around......I'm not ready to give up on him yet.
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05-09-2014, 03:57 PM
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First Line Centre
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why does the universe seem to be taking a dump on him the last year tho?
cant even play one full game in the WHC?
Come on!
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05-10-2014, 03:30 AM
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05-10-2014, 03:40 AM
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A bit of adversity might have been what this kid needed. After a year where nothing has gone right for him you have to hope that he'll come back to the Flames with a tough-as-nails mental fortitude he didn't have before.
Feel for the guy though.
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05-10-2014, 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by getbak
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As I said before, I knew 'not good' coming from a coach's mouth means a very substantial injury.
I sincerely hope he has a speedy recovery. Cracked ribs are definitely painful and extremely hard to breathe through.
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05-10-2014, 05:30 AM
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In the scheme of things a broken rib is no big deal. I was worried it was another concussion.
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05-10-2014, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Caged Great
In the scheme of things a broken rib is no big deal. I was worried it was another concussion.
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Yeah it's kind of strange to be relived that an injury is just a broken rib. Poor guy just can't catch a break though as this tournament could have been a springboard for him to get his confidence back and now the questions remain about his durability. On the bright side this probably makes him harder to trade so he should be back in the fold next season as a Flame one way or another. He does need to have a good season next year wether it be for the Flames or the Heat.
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05-10-2014, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Yeah it's kind of strange to be relived that an injury is just a broken rib. Poor guy just can't catch a break though as this tournament could have been a springboard for him to get his confidence back and now the questions remain about his durability. On the bright side this probably makes him harder to trade so he should be back in the fold next season as a Flame one way or another. He does need to have a good season next year wether it be for the Flames or the Heat.
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He had a very strong finish to the season for the Heat, a fantastic last quarter and stretch drive into and during the playoffs.
Just to highlight that he probably does have his confidence back.
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05-10-2014, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
He had a very strong finish to the season for the Heat, a fantastic last quarter and stretch drive into and during the playoffs.
Just to highlight that he probably does have his confidence back.
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Well yes for the most part but he didn't have a good playoffs. I just think playing at the worlds would have been a real positive for him after being passed over for the Olympics.
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