[Rumour] Tallon Actively Shopping 1st Overall Pick in 2014 Draft

[theoforever]

Ok, so people cannot decided who the top player in this draft is.
Experts are predicting that Reinhart could top as a #2 center and Ekblad may not be a top defenseman.
The prospects this year are not impressive. 1-3, Reinhart, Ekblad, Bennett are in group 1, step up from next 3 guys.

Would you pick any of them ahead Monahan, knowing that he scored 20+ goals in his rookie year?
Personally I don't think so.

People are giving up Brodie, who is in the right age group and playing on top pairing, 2nd paring guy on a contender.
Other options are to give up Gio a top pair d-man almost on any team, number 1 guy on many teams.
I wouldn't make either trade straight up if I'm Flames, unless my goal is to make sure finishing last in the league for the 2015 draft.

I would consider Sven straight up or Johnny straight up in 1 for 1 and perhaps throw in a 3rd round pick.
Odds are they would not do that, but I wouldn't loose any sleep over it.

[FlamesAddiction]

I'm not convinced that the 1st overall this year is worth significantly more than the 4th. From many of the discussions on here, it sounds like a few of the top 5 prospects this year could make a case for going #1 overall.

[Vinny01]

There is nothing the flames would move that gets them the 1st pick while keeping the 4th.

Pieces that Florida would consider would be Monahan or a combo of Sven or Johnny paired with our 2015 first. Just won't happen.

Honestly Vancouver is in a spot to do it if they move their 6th pick plus one of their better vets like Kesler or Edler. Get Luongo on the phone to convince them to waive I could see that happening.

Edmonton as well they have a pick that guarantees te Panthers still get a Sam plus they could move Yakupov who had a sophomore slump but still could be the Panthers answer as top line RW

I think if the Flames are willing to move 4 to get up to 1 they could do it but the cost is likely Backlund, Baertschi, Brodie, or Gaudreau. With there being no clear cut #1 I say keep the pick and keep our players

[killer_carlson]

As recently as January the Panthers were asking the County for $20 mill per year in funding. The Panthers have cap space, but questionable ability to raise the money to use it year in and year out. Even with the new ownership commitment, a team in this spot will pay attention if you offer to keep salary back in a trade.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/201...s-organization


Sooooooooo........ one of our veterans with salary retained, (Wideman, Hudler?), and a good prospect (Agostino), and a b level prospect (Breen).

Hell, sign and trade Butler as part of the package as well, again with salary retained. We don't have the pieces to offer on a pure hockey trade, but there is a business component we could toss into the deal that few other teams could do (as you need both the internal budget and cap space to do so)

I think Ekblad will turn out to be a hell of a player, so I'd be keen to trade up.

[Zulu29]

If there was a way to get the 1st overall with a combination of an older player (Hudler/Wideman/Glencross) + a 2nd and 3rd, I'd be ok with that. I don't think it's realistic, but stranger things have happened. I don't feel it's worthwhile to include our first in a trade plus young players or our 2nds in order to trade up. Giving away too much future potential in that scenario where our 1st may turn out to be a better player. If we end up with too many good centres, that's a good problem to have as we can package one to fill holes elsewhere.

[automaton 3]

The Flames are going to get a very good player at 4th - the only question is which one. Unless the price is relatively nominal, I just don't see any value in spending assets to move up.

[sureLoss]

It's pretty interesting to see that so many people believe the cost of moving up is pretty varied.

Just for reference the last time someone moved up:

Panthers traded 2003 first round pick (#1-Marc-Andre Fleury), 2003 third round pick (#73-Dan Carcillo) to Penguins for Mikael Samuelsson, 2003 first round pick (#3-Nathan Horton), 2003 second round pick (#55-Stefan Meyer) on 2003-06-21.

I forget at the time, what Samuelsson was valued at.


That being said, if you believe what most scouting reports are saying and that the top 4 have pretty much equal value, there is little reason for the Flames to pay the cost of moving up.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I don't see any way that the Flames would entertain trading Brodie away straight-up for the 1st over-all. Why? Brodie is young and improving, and is already playing #2 minutes and EXCELLING there. Why on Earth would the Flames make that trade and hope that Ekblad becomes as good? If he was older and not likely to be a part of the core when the Flames are likely to be competitive again, then sure. As of right now, I don't see how it would make sense. I think Giordano gets traded ahead of Brodie, and Giordano is not getting traded either.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I'm not convinced that the 1st overall this year is worth significantly more than the 4th. From many of the discussions on here, it sounds like a few of the top 5 prospects this year could make a case for going #1 overall.

kind of how i see it as well

[bubbsy]

i just don't like the idea of trading gio to get ekblad. The only reason for that is that in order to have a guy like ekblad develop to his full potential you gotta put him on a dcore with guys that can show him how to become a pro. Trading the best mentor on the roster to get the young buck may be a bit counter intuitive.

If i'm florida, and am in a win-now mode (with some level of budget) Gio is probably the only guy from the flames that really intrigues me. First line dman, on a unreal contract, great dressing room leader for a young team.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

It's pretty interesting to see that so many people believe the cost of moving up is pretty varied.

Just for reference the last time someone moved up:

Panthers traded 2003 first round pick (#1-Marc-Andre Fleury), 2003 third round pick (#73-Dan Carcillo) to Penguins for Mikael Samuelsson, 2003 first round pick (#3-Nathan Horton), 2003 second round pick (#55-Stefan Meyer) on 2003-06-21.

I forget at the time, what Samuelsson was valued at.

I don't think he was valued at much at the time.

[Flash Walken]

To echo the sentiments of others, I would not be interested in using the 4th pick to get the 1st, but you're damn sure I"m interested in that 1st if I can keep #4.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I don't think he was valued at much at the time.

yeah that'd be like us trading Colborne, 1st and 2nd for the same thing. I think any of us would do that.

[Calgary4LIfe]

What interests me almost as much is how likely Florida would be to trade their 2015 1st round pick. It is a far superior draft, but they are also probably thinking they will be more competitive next year. Bit of a gamble on their part, and whomever trades for it. A key injury or two might end up keeping them as a lottery team. There are a lot of hypotheticals for that scenario, and I have no clue what would constitute a fair offer in the least.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

To echo the sentiments of others, I would not be interested in using the 4th pick to get the 1st, but you're damn sure I"m interested in that 1st if I can keep #4.

Hey FW, as a fellow "trade Iginla"er , how do you feel about holding onto Gio for a rebuild? I was always on the trade Iginla side, but its really hard for me to want to see Gio traded cause he brings so much to the Flames. But wouldn't this be somewhat of a similar circumstance?

[jg13]

How about we just pick 4th and keep the team the way it is.

[AcGold]

Florida's not giving up their 1st without another 1st rounder coming back, this is dealing from strength and they will probably only make the trade with a team that got eliminated from the playoffs due to their defense. If Florida can't find a home run deal they'll probably just hold on to it, shopping around means waiting for suckers.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Hey FW, as a fellow "trade Iginla"er , how do you feel about holding onto Gio for a rebuild? I was always on the trade Iginla side, but its really hard for me to want to see Gio traded cause he brings so much to the Flames. But wouldn't this be somewhat of a similar circumstance?

Good teams don't have to trade aging star players worrying about getting assests for them, good teams continually draft and develop players. The Flames were forced to trade a guy like Iginla because during his 15+ seasons here we never drafted another forward close to as good as him. We had try to get an asset back.

Hopefully we won't be in this situation with Giordano. He's 30, hopefully the Flames can continue to bring in new players every season and won't be forced to trade aging stars.

As Yzerman, Lidstrom etc etc aged and retired out the Wings never thought, well Damn, Yzerman is 35 time to ship him out! They just had a next generation waiting for opportunities.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Hey FW, as a fellow "trade Iginla"er , how do you feel about holding onto Gio for a rebuild? I was always on the trade Iginla side, but its really hard for me to want to see Gio traded cause he brings so much to the Flames. But wouldn't this be somewhat of a similar circumstance?

Even though the situations to me are completely different, the valuation process is still the same.

Giordano had an amazing season. Probably his second best season in the league. He played up to a standard I did not think he was capable of for longer than 8-15 games.

Even still, that was good enough to help Calgary into 27th in the league, so, like Iginla, the question has to be "What are we saving? What are we holding on to?".

The concerns I would have would be more about how it would affect the team off the ice than on, and I can't really speculate to that, but Hartley and Burke seem to think Giordano is a significant part of the turn around.

He's the biggest trade chip the flames have though, so if there is a significant piece out there you want, he's probably the starting point in the discussion.

I would do some sort of deal with the main pieces being 1st overall for Giordano. Try to get Jimmy Hayes out of Florida too if I could.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by codynw

When I think of a defenceman being drafted 1st overall I think of Erik Johnson. I wouldn't want an Erik Johnson with the 1st overall pick.

Too simplistic of an analysis. Would you take Doughty? He went 2nd. Would you take Pronger? He went 3rd