Tod Button on Flames Prospects

[codynw]

Originally Posted by King Theo

Here is the link for all 4 of Poirier's goals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REoH...layer_embedded

So, he gets a lot of breakaways.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by New Era

I would not suggest anyone keep Brian Gionta in mind when thinking of Gaudreau. Completely different styles of play. Johnny Hockey will never have a physical game and it is ridiculous to suggest that will develop with some weight. It is also ridiculous to suggest Gaudreau will put on 20-30 pounds. That would be almost 20% of his body mass. That would be like saying Monahan should be able to pack on 40 pounds and still be an effective player. Johnny is what he is. He's not going to get much bigger or pack on a ton of weight. His metabolism just isn't going to allow that to happen.

I was simply bringing up another very small player who had success in the NHL.

Johnny can absolutely pack on another 10-15 easy, even by doing so with actual muscle mass. Though you seem to know a lot about Johnny's metabolism, so based on your inside track I suppose you must be right.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Jankowski could produce more in almost any other school or chl team. At least I think. I feel the offense is there but it just isn't or cannot he utilized properly in Providence's system. I like the fact he is developing in a strong defensive system like providences. If he's going to make it in the NHL he needs that education to play sound defense in all three zones. And it seems like he getting that. Once he gets some pp time and some more gifted line mates I think we will see his numbers jump quite a bit.

Next year will tell the story for Jankowski. #1C will be his to take, let's see if he grabs it and how he does. Maybe his performance this year is tempered by him being in a learning / role-playing / lower-class man position, but none of that should be true next year. Plus another summer of strength and weight gain. No excuses next year, let's see what we really have

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by strombad

This board is a discussion board, and if you can't back up your claims expect to be questioned. I think that is more than fair.

Wasn't he pretty upfront about how he formed his opinion of Janko?

Originally Posted by calgARI

I have seen Jankowski play several times this year and last year...

Originally Posted by calgARI

There are a lot of guys I have seen in college hockey at the same age and size range who were far more impactful players who never sniffed the NHL.

Originally Posted by calgARI

Knowing Stanstead College quite well and having coached at that level for a long time, it is still beyond comprehension to me how anyone can project a player from there with such high confidence to select in the first round.

Originally Posted by calgARI

I have seen him play probably 30 times in the last three years. How many have you seen him? I've also coached about a dozen players who have played against him in the last two years and spoken to all of them about their thoughts as well. Is any of this solid concrete for projection? Of course not. But still worth noting in a thread about a player, his quality, and projection.

This next one is a gem:

Originally Posted by strombad

I'm as calm as can be. If you want to make this about "what we do here" and throw weight around, so be it, but you should know that making condescending comments like "you seriously need to calm down", "it seems hard for you, but try and differentiate", and "get ahold of yourself" is not, in fact, "what we do here".

... dozen posts later:

Originally Posted by strombad

Though you seem to know a lot about Johnny's metabolism, so based on your inside track I suppose you must be right.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Wasn't he pretty upfront about how he formed his opinion of Janko?











This next one is a gem:



... dozen posts later:

Just my point, all of his comments were about where he played, or guys he played with, but not much about the actual player.

As for the condescending comments, I never once claimed I don't make them, but that comment was not one of them. New Era clearly knows more about Gaudreau's physical situation than I do. Knowing about a player's metabolism is not my strong suit, and if he believes Johnny can't pack in 20 pounds for that reason then I fully believe in what he's saying.

Try having an actual input about hockey please, as to not stray this discussion further off topic.

[saillias]

I am the most knowledgable poster about the Gaudreau metabolism. However that is insider info and I can't release it or risk my contacts.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by saillias

I am the most knowledgable poster about the Gaudreau metabolism. However that is insider info and I can't release it or risk my contacts.

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[strombad]

Originally Posted by saillias

I am the most knowledgable poster about the Gaudreau metabolism. However that is insider info and I can't release it or risk my contacts.

I believe in what you're saying.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by strombad

This board is a discussion board, and if you can't back up your claims expect to be questioned.

In the context of a bunch of random guys speculating about NHL prospects, what exactly does back up your claims even mean?

[saXon]

Originally Posted by King Theo

Here is the link for all 4 of Poirier's goals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=REoHMfONeQU

Why the fudge couldn't he do this a few days ago when Sportsnet was covering? Gah...

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by strombad

I was simply bringing up another very small player who had success in the NHL.

Johnny can absolutely pack on another 10-15 easy, even by doing so with actual muscle mass. Though you seem to know a lot about Johnny's metabolism, so based on your inside track I suppose you must be right.

Listen, no need to be a jackass. There have been a number of articles about Gaudreau and his stature, including ones where Boston College hockey people have commented about how they have attempted to increase his body weight through training and nutrition, all of which have been unsuccessful because of his metabolism. Johnny has even mentioned it himself in interviews. You crap all over other people, much more respected posters than yourself, for being condescending, we'll take your own advice. Don't be a prick. There are obviously others in this forum more knowledgable on subjects than you so sit back and learn. This isn't a competition.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Kreider is an interesting discussion point.

I watched a fair bit of the BC title run in 2012 and I said several times that I was more impressed with Arnold and Gaudreau. However, the thing about Kreider was that he had NHL tools (speed and size). So it isn't/wasn't a surprise that he was able to apply his skills at the next level.

Jankowski is similar - not in skill-set, but in the fact that he has some NHL tools (size, soft hands in tight). Jankowski may not be wowing people in the NCAA, but there is plenty of reason to be interested in his development, because of his tool-set (much like Kreider, though it's a different set of tools).

The Kreider comparison made me curious, so I went and looked at how his College stats compare to Jankowski.

Freshman year:

• Kreider: 15G/8A for 23P in 38GP for 0.61PPG
• Jankowski: 7G/11A for 18P in 34GP for 0.53PPG

Sophomore year:

• Kreider: 11G/13A for 24P in 32GP for 0.75PPG
• Jankowski: 9G/8A for 17P in 27GP for 0.63PPG (so far)

Kreider put up better raw numbers, but Boston College is also a much higher scoring team than Providence is. So, if you look at the numbers as a percentage of total team offence, it looks a little different...

Freshman:

• Kreider: 23P on 171 total goals. Points on 13.5% of all goals
• Jankowski: 18P on 105 total goals. Points on 17.1% of all goals

Sophomore:

• Kreider: 24P on 153 total goals. Points on 15.7% of all goals
• Jankowski: 17P on 85 total goals. Points on 20.0% of all goals (so far)

Kreider only played 3 years of College. The stats for his final year were: 23G/22A for 45P in 44GP for 1.02PPG. BC scored 157 total goals, so Kreider had points on 28.7% of all goals.

That's a pretty big offensive jump for his third year. It would be nice if Jankowski could do the same. If he's put into a first-line role with more offensively-minded line mates, there's no reason to think he can't.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

In the context of a bunch of random guys speculating about NHL prospects, what exactly does back up your claims even mean?

Just have some sort of reasonable method of clarifying your stance.

I didn't think commenting on where Janko played, or who his peers were really said much about Janko himself or warranted a "not NHL calibre" stance, thus, I questioned it.

It's really not a big deal.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by New Era

Listen, no need to be a jackass. There have been a number of articles about Gaudreau and his stature, including ones where Boston College hockey people have commented about how they have attempted to increase his body weight through training and nutrition, all of which have been unsuccessful because of his metabolism. Johnny has even mentioned it himself in interviews. You crap all over other people, much more respected posters than yourself, for being condescending, we'll take your own advice. Don't be a prick. There are obviously others in this forum more knowledgable on subjects than you so sit back and learn. This isn't a competition.

I wasn't being a jackass, I fully meant what I said considering I didn't know any of that stuff about his metabolism. Sorry you were offended, but I actually meant what I said (wasn't being condescending).

Again, sorry you were offended, no need to be rude. You absolutely taught me something about his metabolism, I admitted you knew more, so I'm not sure why you're now on the offensive.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by edslunch

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So you're saying Gaudreau is our Marshawn Lynch?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by strombad

I was simply bringing up another very small player who had success in the NHL.

Johnny can absolutely pack on another 10-15 easy, even by doing so with actual muscle mass. Though you seem to know a lot about Johnny's metabolism, so based on your inside track I suppose you must be right.

In the same quote you condescendingly put down New Era for stating speculation as fact, you state the reverse as fact.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by strombad

I wasn't being a jackass, I fully meant what I said considering I didn't know any of that stuff about his metabolism. Sorry you were offended, but I actually meant what I said (wasn't being condescending).

Again, sorry you were offended, no need to be rude. You absolutely taught me something about his metabolism, I admitted you knew more, so I'm not sure why you're now on the offensive.

Is there a reason you are acting like this? Do you have to get the last word in on every single subject and act like a total DB doing it?

You've added little to this thread outside of idle speculation and then attack others who disagree with you, even those with signficantly higher amounts of information to draw from.

Try to apologize in a meaningful way and move on.

[strombad]

I was a dick to calgARI, for that I apologise. My post to New Era was completely misunderstood.

No reason for 4 or 5 different people to pile on. I'd be happy to continue the hockey related discussion, but if people need to respond to me directly feel free to PM me.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by New Era

Johnny is what he is. He's not going to get much bigger or pack on a ton of weight. His metabolism just isn't going to allow that to happen.

I wouldn't bet on that.

When I was his age (and another year after) I ate the equivalency of about 6 meals a day (+snacks) and didn't gain a single pound. I did work out but not to the extent that a NCAA athete would. Then it just stopped and I put on a bunch of weight (unfortunately not the good kind) over a single summer.

Everyones different so I wouldn't say that'll happen to him but I wouldn't say it won't either.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by getbak

The Kreider comparison made me curious, so I went and looked at how his College stats compare to Jankowski.

Freshman year:

• Kreider: 15G/8A for 23P in 38GP for 0.61PPG
• Jankowski: 7G/11A for 18P in 34GP for 0.53PPG

Sophomore year:

• Kreider: 11G/13A for 24P in 32GP for 0.75PPG
• Jankowski: 9G/8A for 17P in 27GP for 0.63PPG (so far)

Kreider put up better raw numbers, but Boston College is also a much higher scoring team than Providence is. So, if you look at the numbers as a percentage of total team offence, it looks a little different...

Freshman:

• Kreider: 23P on 171 total goals. Points on 13.5% of all goals
• Jankowski: 18P on 105 total goals. Points on 17.1% of all goals

Sophomore:

• Kreider: 24P on 153 total goals. Points on 15.7% of all goals
• Jankowski: 17P on 85 total goals. Points on 20.0% of all goals (so far)

Kreider only played 3 years of College. The stats for his final year were: 23G/22A for 45P in 44GP for 1.02PPG. BC scored 157 total goals, so Kreider had points on 28.7% of all goals.

That's a pretty big offensive jump for his third year. It would be nice if Jankowski could do the same. If he's put into a first-line role with more offensively-minded line mates, there's no reason to think he can't.

By comparison Gaudreau has points on 45% of BCs goals - wow!