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puckluck2 · 11-26-2013, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Zevo

Didn't Rypien have a history of depression? I would imagine it would be next to impossible to say fighting was the culprit if that's the case. Boogard accidently o.d.ed after being over-prescribed by several doctors including a family member, if I'm not mistaken.

I agree there will be concessions, but I don't think fighting will be outright eliminated(yet) and hopefully they will address the other areas that contribute to the majority of concussions like equipment, rink size, dirty plays, etc.

Did you read the report on Boogard's brain after his death? He had a brain disease caused by traumatic injuries to the head.

undercoverbrother · 11-26-2013, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Zevo

Didn't Rypien have a history of depression? I would imagine it would be next to impossible to say fighting was the culprit if that's the case. .

Is it possible that he suffered with depression due to repeated concussions? I have no idea if that is medically possible or not.

Zevo · 11-26-2013, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by puckluck2

Did you read the report on Boogard's brain after his death? He had a brain disease caused by traumatic injuries to the head.

Ya but that's not what killed him. He still o.d.ed after being over-prescribed.

neo45 · 11-26-2013, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Is it possible that he suffered with depression due to repeated concussions? I have no idea if that is medically possible or not.

I think he suffered from depression before his NHL career even started

Zevo · 11-26-2013, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Is it possible that he suffered with depression due to repeated concussions? I have no idea if that is medically possible or not.

I'm sure it is. I thought I read that he had suffered from depression for a long time though. If they can prove his depression started after getting concussed from a fight then they have a case.

Parallex · 11-26-2013, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Zevo

Ya but that's not what killed him. He still o.d.ed after being over-prescribed.

But it's not hard to draw a line from concussion sympoms to drug seeking behavior (and consequently the O.D.).

Corral · 11-26-2013, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Really? The NHL was hiding information they had that might have helped protect players from concussions? Does anybody else see tinfoil hats in that? And if our jobs were playing pro hockey are you saying if management did not hold your hand and tell you there is a possibility you might get injured playing hockey that you would have no idea that could happen? Come on. This is lawyers simply trying to get a cash grab after those lawyers for the NFL guys got theirs.

Um YES.

You should spend less time on these internet forums and more time reading the many books that have been written on how NHL owners, management, and the NHLPA itself have manipulated the players over the years.

undercoverbrother · 11-26-2013, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Corral

Um YES.

You should spend less time on these internet forums and more time reading the many books that have been written on how NHL owners, management, and the NHLPA itself have manipulated the players over the years.

Can you give names of some of these books?

Zevo · 11-26-2013, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Parallex

But it's not hard to draw a line from concussion sympoms to drug seeking behavior (and consequently the O.D.).

Wouldn't a guy with bad knees or a chronic shoulder have the same drug seeking behaviour? Isn't that a 'correlation does not imply causation' situation?

Locke · 11-26-2013, 11:52 AM

If Chris Pronger isnt one of the 10 players then I call shenanigans on the validity of the entire lawsuit.

undercoverbrother · 11-26-2013, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Locke

If Chris Pronger isnt one of the 10 players then I call shenanigans on the validity of the entire lawsuit.

He is still "officially a player" no?

cam_wmh · 11-26-2013, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Parallex

But it's not hard to draw a line from concussion sympoms to drug seeking behavior (and consequently the O.D.).

I thought I read, that he used the drugs to retreat from the headaches/nausea during his time on I.R.

The Boogaards have a separate negligence suit against the league, for the mistreatment and mishandling of their son.

Flame On · 11-26-2013, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

1) Just in general, the money that those players made is irrelevant *if* there was negligence. Also, it's rather evident that most of those 10 players listed didn't make "millions." Gary Leeman and Rick Vaive are the ones I recognize, but the relative obscurity of the other players suggests they didn't cash in millions.

2) Your dismissal seems to rely on the players' negligence in assessing the severity of their own injuries. Otherwise, if a team doctor sees you in the tunnel for 30 seconds then tells you to get back out there and no one from the team follows up, what would you as a medical laymen think? Having just seen a doctor, most people would reasonably think that there isn't much to be alarmed about. Blaming those people for not being aware of medical knowledge that was not available back then is a nonstarter.

Note that this is no different than you going into a doctor's office and the doctor telling you that you can go home... if something later emerges that could have been pointed out by the doctor you visited, are you saying that the onus is on you to have known that *something* must have been wrong despite the doctor not saying anything?

The concussion issue is important to the league and the players. This suit may or may not have merit based on the claims of these specific players. But this is an important issue, and some of the comments in this thread are just horribly ignorant.

If a player goes out into the hallway to get expert physician care, and that physician misleads them isn't that the individual Drs. problem? Wouldn't that be covered by the Hippocratic oath? I'm genuinely asking.

neo45 · 11-26-2013, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Flame On

If a player goes out into the hallway to get expert physician care, and that physician misleads them isn't that the individual Drs. problem? Wouldn't that be covered by the Hippocratic oath? I'm genuinely asking.

The doctors are employees of the NHL and are acting within the scope of their employment, therefore the NHL would be vicariously liable for the negligence of the doctors and can get sued.

Flame On · 11-26-2013, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by neo45

The doctors are employees of the NHL and are acting within the scope of their employment, therefore the NHL would be vicariously liable for the negligence of the doctors and can get sued.

But don't they take some sort of oath regardless of who employs them, that they must adhere to?

troutman · 11-26-2013, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by fotze

I wouldn't think that oath was legally binding. I thought that was a largely symbolic think. Like the oath of the engineer and the iron ring nonsense.

Tell the truth - do you guys get spanked with paddles in a dark basement?

Redrum · 11-26-2013, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by saillias

Jesus Christ.

I don't get it, are you naive enough to think that's not a likely scenario?

habernac · 11-26-2013, 04:09 PM

where's the pic of Doug Neidermeyer and Chip?

Resolute 14 · 11-26-2013, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by troutman

I don't know why the NHLPA isn't being named as a defendant too.

Simple pragmatism. I would imagine the easiest way to lose the case would be to sue the union, have current players speak out against the lawsuit, and as a result, make a complete mockery out of the argument that the players are being abused for the owners' profit.

Likewise, it is no coincidence that Daly and the NHL are already mentioning the work the NHL and NHLPA have put in on concussion protocols in the last 16+ years. They are making it clear that the players have a big say in how the game is played. The arguments regarding the post-2005 lockout NHL rules are particularly absurd since players themselves sat on the competition committee that formulated them.

neo45 · 11-26-2013, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Flame On

But don't they take some sort of oath regardless of who employs them, that they must adhere to?

The doctors are liable for their own negligence, but the NHL is also liable (either vicarious liability if the doctors acted without instruction from the NHL, or contributory negligence if the NHL instructed the doctors to let the players play).

The doctors and the NHL are exposed here