Will Sven Bounce Back?

[edslunch]

Team toughness is the only justification that makes sense . If you feel you need Jackman then Sven is likely on the bubble.

If it's for performance and to teach him, fine, but why always him? Like Monahan couldn't benefit from perspective too?

[Vinny01]

Pretty sure this was the player the Flames said they liked a lot and Burke said he didn't. For whatever reason the Flames seem to be a bit hard on Sven. It doesn't bother me but it concerns me that they might look at moving him sooner than they should. He has all world talent and if he develops fully he has first line upside.

I just hope the Flames make the right decision with him

[BACKCHECK!!!]

The only reason anyone is talking about Sven struggling is because Hartley benched him.

When Sven was first benched, pretty much the only response from every Flames fan was "What the ****?"

Since then, consensus is that he's only gotten better.

I don't think Sven's on-ice performance is the problem. I don't know if Hartley is the problem. I don't even know if there IS a problem.

But now people are asking if he can bounce back from it?

It brings to mind the words of LL Cool J:

"Don't call this a come back, because I've been here for years."

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Pretty sure this was the player the Flames said they liked a lot and Burke said he didn't.

I don't know why everybody assumes they were talking about a Flames player. I assumed they were talking about a player outside the organization.

[edslunch]

Burke was extremely luke warm specifically when discussing Sven. I hope this isn't a case of Hartley adopting the party line from Burke

[Tinordi]

I may be watching Baertschi too critically but I see alot of concerning parts to his game.

He is not making good decisions out there. He is slow making decisions. His skating and agility on his skates is not very good. Because of which he's mostly a liability out there with little upside.

I hope he turns it around but he does not look good at all.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by fotze

Was Gelinas even on the Flames payroll at that time? IIRC it was Hartley that the argument was with.

This is all I can find on the subject

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=126834

There is one other poster on the first page who mentions Gelinas as well.

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

I may be watching Baertschi too critically but I see alot of concerning parts to his game.

He is not making good decisions out there. He is slow making decisions. His skating and agility on his skates is not very good. Because of which he's mostly a liability out there with little upside.

I hope he turns it around but he does not look good at all.

I think you are watching Beartschi too critically and are in the minority. At least in the way that he doesnt look behind any of the other forwards on this team in those regards.

[Vedder]

I think Sven's puck management and decision making can be a lot better...

But last game I thought his effort was there, and that he was in a better position to succeed playing with two better defensive players in Stajan and Stempniak. I'd like to see that for a couple more games rather than another benching.

On another note, Monahan has obviously been much more consistent and overall better than Sven this season, but compared to the other young guys his icetime has barely fluctuated. Meanwhile, Colborne and Backlund are taking turns on the 4th line. Is that because he has been that much better, or because Hartley promised to use him if he was kept up for the year?

[FlamesAddiction]

I just don't get why some people think that skilled rookies should be held to a low standard. If you accept a standard lower than what you think a player is capable of, then you end up developing the player to that standard.

Whether he is right or wrong, Hartley clearly thinks that Baertschi is capable of more than what he is giving. If he truly believes that, then he shouldn't accept anything less from him. The last thing we want our developing prospects to think is that 'good' is good enough.

Seriously, if Hartley believes that Sven is not trying as hard as he should; how helpful would it be in the long run to reward him with top line ice-time just based only on skill?

[Fire]

Sven was pretty crappy in the game against the Oilers. Sven had several turnovers. I don't want to see him scratched, but I can see why Hartley is doing it.

[SuperMatt18]

One thing I've noticed is Sven has learned the soft backhand pass technique from Glencross.

Had a couple of turnovers on plays like that saturday, including one directly to an Oiler in our own zone in the third.

[Bar-Down]

Unfortunately I see Beartschi being a bust.

He's small, injury prone and just doesn't seem to be able to take the next step from Junior to NHL.

It happens more often than not, not a huge deal.

Lets just hope some of our other draft picks (monahan, klimchuk, poirier etc turn out)

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Bar-Down

Unfortunately I see Beartschi being a bust.

He's small, injury prone and just doesn't seem to be able to take the next step from Junior to NHL.

It happens more often than not, not a huge deal.

Lets just hope some of our other draft picks (monahan, klimchuk, poirier etc turn out)

I don't think 5'11" 190 lbs is small. Not huge mind you but certainly not small.... average perhaps.

[ComixZone]

how are people saying he's a bust?! He has 20 pts in his first 42 NHL games (.476 ppg).

Henrik Sedin had 29 points in his first 82 games (.353 ppg).
Daniel Sedin had 34 points in his first 75 games (.453 ppg).

Everyone needs to calm the heck down. He is going to make mistakes along the way. He is going to have issues playing a 200 foot game. He's a 13th overall pick, not a 1st or 2nd overall pick. They (the vast majority of the time) take time to develop.

Would Sven be better served playing in the AHL? I think maybe, yes - especially with Hartley apparently not being his biggest fan.

But bust? Just...no. That's insanity. This is what a freaking rebuild is about - giving the youth time to make and learn from their mistakes.

So many on here were dancing around with their happy hats on when we started the season so well - how did you not see this coming? There is no instant solution to developing a player, let alone a team. Players, and the team as a whole are going to struggle.

[Dagger]

I think part of the problem is that it's easy to think of Baertschi as more experienced than he actually is since this is his third season gaining playing time with them. To me it gives him a stigma of being more nuanced in the NHL than he really is. He's barely played half of a season's worth of games!

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Burke was extremely luke warm specifically when discussing Sven. I hope this isn't a case of Hartley adopting the party line from Burke

Conroy was extremely lukewarm when discussing Sven during the prospects camp. I think Sven showing up at that camp and acting like he didn't have anything to prove was when the organization collectively decided to take more of a tough love approach with him. By the time Burke got to Calgary, management had already decided that Sven might require a few kicks in the pants if he's ever going to reach his full potential.

[Tinordi]

Great post gargamel.

How soon we forget the massive disappointment that was Sven's camp which, of course, is all on Sven.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Great post gargamel.

How soon we forget the massive disappointment that was Sven's camp which, of course, is all on Sven.

So yep, he's a bust.

It's not totally unreasonable at all that you expect him to be Patrice Bergeron as a 21 year old with less than 50 games NHL experience. Nope. Not at all.

Maybe a crappy organization like the Red Wings can find a use for him.

We should probably trade him for a 4th rounder while we still can. We won't have one of those for a while.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

How soon we forget the massive disappointment that was Sven's camp which, of course, is all on Sven.

Don't exaggerate or anything.