If you could only take one. Which of the Oilers "big 4" would you want on the Flames?

[Spinoff90]

Eberle. Hall and Hudler would be a pretty special looking line though

[Cole436]

It's Hall. I think he has all the tools to be an amazing player in this league.
His issues also seem very coachable. He's the heart and soul guy we need playing on our top line.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Cole436

It's Hall. I think he has all the tools to be an amazing player in this league.
His issues also seem very coachable. He's the heart and soul guy we need playing on our top line.

Whoa whoa whoa. This is all hypothetical speak, but there's no reason to go throwing around "heart and soul" in the same sentence as any of these guys.

It's still the Edmonton Oilers, get ahold of yourself man.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by strombad

Whoa whoa whoa. This is all hypothetical speak, but there's no reason to go throwing around "heart and soul" in the same sentence as any of these guys.

It's still the Edmonton Oilers, get ahold of yourself man.

I'm drunk.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Cole436

It's Hall. I think he has all the tools to be an amazing player in this league.
His issues also seem very coachable. He's the heart and soul guy we need playing on our top line.

Heart and soul guy? We're talking about the same guy who said/whined: "why did we pull our goalie?!" I'll always think of hall with that immature attitude he showed when that happened. He looked like a 12-year old hot shot player who thinks he knows better than the coach... We all played hockey with that kind of kid at some point growing up. Definitely not hall or yakupov.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Heart and soul guy? We're talking about the same guy who said/whined: "why did we pull our goalie?!" I'll always think of hall with that immature attitude he showed when that happened. He looked like a 12-year old hot shot player who thinks he knows better than the coach... We all played hockey with that kind of kid at some point growing up. Definitely not hall or yakupov.

He's also 21. Kids grow up. And he also hasn't been fostered in the greatest of environments. I've seen enough of his fire on the ice to assume he'll probably be a pretty good leader one day.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Cole436

He's also 21. Kids grow up. And he also hasn't been fostered in the greatest of environments. I've seen enough of his fire on the ice to assume he'll probably be a pretty good leader one day.

His youth is no excuse for his attitude. Same with yakupov. There are tons of NHL rookies and younger players that go through the ups and downs of becoming a pro but they still behave like professionals. These two guys have attitude problems that come off as being players who have come to believe their own hype and it leads to them being moody (yakupov) or difficult to coach (hall). Don't see leadership in hall now or in the future.

[moon]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Heart and soul guy? We're talking about the same guy who said/whined: "why did we pull our goalie?!" I'll always think of hall with that immature attitude he showed when that happened. He looked like a 12-year old hot shot player who thinks he knows better than the coach... We all played hockey with that kind of kid at some point growing up. Definitely not hall or yakupov.

He was right in that situation.

[moon]

Originally Posted by stemit14

His youth is no excuse for his attitude. Same with yakupov. There are tons of NHL rookies and younger players that go through the ups and downs of becoming a pro but they still behave like professionals. These two guys have attitude problems that come off as being players who have come to believe their own hype and it leads to them being moody (yakupov) or difficult to coach (hall). Don't see leadership in hall now or in the future.

What makes Hall difficult to coach?

If you are using that goalie incident as evidence that is insanely weak and you could likely find worse incidents for almost every hockey player to fit the difficult to coach mentality.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Heart and soul guy? We're talking about the same guy who said/whined: "why did we pull our goalie?!" I'll always think of hall with that immature attitude he showed when that happened. He looked like a 12-year old hot shot player who thinks he knows better than the coach... We all played hockey with that kind of kid at some point growing up. Definitely not hall or yakupov.

I believe it was "why did we pull the ######ing goalie!?!"...and when your coach does just that down 3 goals with 3 minutes remaining, in a game where you had been thoroughly dominated start to finish, yeah Renney deserved it. Hall didn't like getting further embarrassed, which is a lot better than his teammates that were just content to sit there and take it up the ass.

but mostly, I want Hall to be rescued from that northern alberta tire fire so that my fantasy keeper team can reach the next level of awesome.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by saillias

Hall is the best of the bunch as of now. The whole Hall is dumb thing has really got out of control and has become a confirmation bias for fans league wide.

Since I've entertained myself lately reading the Oilers boards, I've noticed that many Oilers fans are saying the exact same thing about Hall. I think this is a case where the consensus can't be that far off.

This is a guy that during the lockout had 34 points in 26 games for the Oklahoma City Barons, and still managed to somehow be +/- 0 on a team where almost everyone else was a plus player, many with a good margin.

As many will remember, Eberle, Hall and RNH couldn't even turn make the Barons notably better than they were without them during the last lockout.

That's truly special.

[Street Pharmacist]

I don't know. Literally every game I've watched this year hall dipsy doodled into a turnover that led into a goal at least once. One game I watched with my Oiler fan brother we counted 6. And yet he keeps doing it. Over and over.

He's awesome from the blueline in. That's it

[moon]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I don't know. Literally every game I've watched this year hall dipsy doodled into a turnover that led into a goal at least once. One game I watched with my Oiler fan brother we counted 6. And yet he keeps doing it. Over and over.

He's awesome from the blueline in. That's it

He turned it over that lead to 6 goals? or he turned it over 6 times?

All of the big 4 are brutal for trying to do too much and turning the puck over. Hall is certainly no worse than any of the others and likely the least offender of them all in that category.

he is definitely much more of a North-South style of player than the other 3.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by moon

He turned it over that lead to 6 goals? or he turned it over 6 times?

All of the big 4 are brutal for trying to do too much and turning the puck over. Hall is certainly no worse than any of the others and likely the least offender of them all in that category.

he is definitely much more of a North-South style of player than the other 3.

Sorry, 6 dipsy doodle turnovers plus a cross ice pass, two of those turnovers went in the back of the net, but all led to chances.

Halls turnovers are the most gregarious though from what I've seen. I've probably watched 3/4 of the Oilers games and hall seems to be the worst to me

[SuperMatt18]

It's a toss up between Hall and Eberle.

With our current line-up though I probably take Hall. We are already small at wing and Hall provides us with an element that we don't have on the roster.

[Heavy Jack]

None of them. They're Oilers guys come on. Until we get one, if we get one, I don't want them. Same goes with Smid. Same went with Bertuzzi/Morrison. Liked them once they were here, despised them prior to the fact

[moon]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Sorry, 6 dipsy doodle turnovers plus a cross ice pass, two of those turnovers went in the back of the net, but all led to chances.

Halls turnovers are the most gregarious though from what I've seen. I've probably watched 3/4 of the Oilers games and hall seems to be the worst to me

Perhaps it is because they are more recent and in their own zone on simple plays but the Eberle/Yak plays in TB are the ones that stand out to me.

Those two and Eberle trying to toe drag by every defenseman leading to multiple odd man rushes as he stands around when the defenseman easily takes it from him and Yak trying to go 1 on 5 are the plays that standout to me.

I find Eberle and Yak to be by far the worst two offenders and the worst two about standing around watching after they do it.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by moon

Perhaps it is because they are more recent and in their own zone on simple plays but the Eberle/Yak plays in TB are the ones that stand out to me.

Those two and Eberle trying to toe drag by every defenseman leading to multiple odd man rushes as he stands around when the defenseman easily takes it from him and Yak trying to go 1 on 5 are the plays that standout to me.

I find Eberle and Yak to be by far the worst two offenders and the worst two about standing around watching after they do it.

Yak yes. If you look at my original post, I have Joey Moss ahead of him on my depth chart

Eberle is a bit more enigmatic to me on both ends of the ice.

I will freely admit my evaluation of games sucks, but every time I watch hall carry the puck he is dangerous more to his own team than the opposition. In a shooting position he's one of the best in the league

[Bertuzzied]

This thread sucks. Please get it off page 1!

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

but mostly, I want Hall to be rescued from that northern alberta tire fire so that my fantasy keeper team can reach the next level of awesome.

Awesome!

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

This thread sucks. Please get it off page 1!

Nice bump.