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FlamesAddiction · 10-24-2013, 11:58 AM

I don't see why the re-build can't include getting a young defenseman that can grow as part of the overall core.

It has to be the right opportunity though.

heep223 · 10-24-2013, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Essentially, what the Flames need is for a desperate GM to go all Darryl Sutter on us & give us a promising young top-4 D man for all our spare parts. A 'Reverse Phaneuf Trade', if you will... If a big, promising but underperforming D man becomes available from a team that is willing to take our spare parts in return then I'm sure management will pull the trigger.

Tyler Myers fits the bill. Tell him not to bother playing offense and focus on becoming a shutdown d-man and I think he could flourish.

TSXCman · 10-24-2013, 12:07 PM

wait... Wideman can't handle top minutes?

FlamesAddiction · 10-24-2013, 12:08 PM

The Ilses might be one to watch this season if they stay in the playoff race. They are probably a little desperate to put together a playoff team.

I could see them maybe trading a prospect for affordabe veterans that can contribute now. I'd love to pry Griffin Reinhart away.

heep223 · 10-24-2013, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Flames have to run with the hand they were dealt with. The team isn't going to make the playoffs anyway so I don't understand why we are having threads like this.

If you don't like shooting the itshay, don't log on and definitely don't post. It's demeaning to the OP who is trying to facilitate discussion for those of us who are bored at work and counting the hours to the game tonight.

Bertuzzied · 10-24-2013, 12:16 PM

I wonder if we can re-acquire Bouwmeester. hehe

Vinny01 · 10-24-2013, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by heep223

Tyler Myers fits the bill. Tell him not to bother playing offense and focus on becoming a shutdown d-man and I think he could flourish.

But the Buffalo Sabres do not fit the bill as a trading partner. They are a team that is rebuilding just like us so trading Cammalleri, Stempniak, Stajan, etc just won't work. They will want our young players in return.

Teams that would make decent trading partners for Calgary are the Rangers, Flyers, Leafs, or any team that is looking to win now and possibly get some cap relief.

ricardodw · 10-24-2013, 01:08 PM

Say last year's Flames who were at the cap started the year 1-7.

Say That Iginla , Tanguay and Cammalleri (combined cap hit of 16.5M) had kicked in a total of 6 assists.

Who would be un-tradeable on that team?

This year the Flyers are off to a 1-7 start Giroux Voracek and Hartnell (cap hit of 17.3M) have scored no goals and have 6 assists. Actual cap hit is only 12.75 but Giroux's 8 year @ 8.275 kicks in next year.

If there ever was a team and GM that should be in panic mode it has to be the Flyers.

They are contenders for the Rienhart/Ekblad lottery but Holgrem (who would be making the trade now) will almost certainly be fired before he would get to choose between them.

Joker · 10-24-2013, 01:11 PM

If the team wants to be competing for a cup in the future, they need a stud D-man.

bad for Ekblad? Drafting doesn't cost assets.

codynw · 10-24-2013, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The Ilses might be one to watch this season if they stay in the playoff race. They are probably a little desperate to put together a playoff team.

I could see them maybe trading a prospect for affordabe veterans that can contribute now. I'd love to pry Griffin Reinhart away.

I'm pretty sure they have the cap space for Cammalleri and could definitely use a good scoring winger to play with Tavares, so that may be a possibility... Getting Reinhart from them would be fantastic, but probably unlikely.

blankall · 10-24-2013, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Joker

If the team wants to be competing for a cup in the future, they need a stud D-man.

bad for Ekblad? Drafting doesn't cost assets.

We are not going to get a #1 overall pick. The odds of us finishing in the very bottom are low. This team is not going to be coached in a non-competitive way. And then we'd have to win the lottery.

The Flames need to look at overall asset management as a strategy. We need to abuse the cap situation too.

SuperMatt18 · 10-24-2013, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ricardodw

Say last year's Flames who were at the cap started the year 1-7.

Say That Iginla , Tanguay and Cammalleri (combined cap hit of 16.5M) had kicked in a total of 6 assists.

Who would be un-tradeable on that team?

This year the Flyers are off to a 1-7 start Giroux Voracek and Hartnell (cap hit of 17.3M) have scored no goals and have 6 assists. Actual cap hit is only 12.75 but Giroux's 8 year @ 8.275 kicks in next year.

If there ever was a team and GM that should be in panic mode it has to be the Flyers.

They are contenders for the Rienhart/Ekblad lottery but Holgrem (who would be making the trade now) will almost certainly be fired before he would get to choose between them.

Giroux is still un-touchable IMO, but I think that any of their other forwards are likely up for grabs.

Think Hartnell and Lecavalier are untradeable. Too big of contracts for too long of periods.

Have to think that Read, Simmonds, Voracek, Schenn, and Couturier would be driving interest from other teams though.

It is a puzzle that a team with all that talent cannot find a way to score goals.

Joker · 10-24-2013, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by blankall

We are not going to get a #1 overall pick. The odds of us finishing in the very bottom are low. This team is not going to be coached in a non-competitive way. And then we'd have to win the lottery.

The Flames need to look at overall asset management as a strategy. We need to abuse the cap situation too.

Shouldve used the ol' green text. I'm not a supporter of Oilering your way to draft picks.

Erick Estrada · 10-24-2013, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by blankall

We are not going to get a #1 overall pick. The odds of us finishing in the very bottom are low. This team is not going to be coached in a non-competitive way. And then we'd have to win the lottery.

The Flames need to look at overall asset management as a strategy. We need to abuse the cap situation too.

Why do you think the Flames will need to finish 30th to get Ekblad? This time last year we were all certain Jones was going #1 and he went #4. Don't kid yourself the Flames will be in the running for a pretty good player on draft day.

Ashasx · 10-24-2013, 01:26 PM

We should look at acquiring Del Zotto if it costs only veterans.

I'd trade any of our veterans to get him.

Vinny01 · 10-24-2013, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ricardodw

Say last year's Flames who were at the cap started the year 1-7.

Say That Iginla , Tanguay and Cammalleri (combined cap hit of 16.5M) had kicked in a total of 6 assists.

Who would be un-tradeable on that team?

This year the Flyers are off to a 1-7 start Giroux Voracek and Hartnell (cap hit of 17.3M) have scored no goals and have 6 assists. Actual cap hit is only 12.75 but Giroux's 8 year @ 8.275 kicks in next year.

If there ever was a team and GM that should be in panic mode it has to be the Flyers.

They are contenders for the Rienhart/Ekblad lottery but Holgrem (who would be making the trade now) will almost certainly be fired before he would get to choose between them.

I would like to get Read and Coburn on this team but that would likely cost some high priced assets. Maybe Cammalleri ++ can get it done? The Flyers might be interested in trading a couple guys under contract for some pending UFA's so they can go on their annual shopping spree next summer?

HelloHockeyFans · 10-24-2013, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyler

No. If anything, they should be moving the Butler's and O'Brien's of the team and be bringing up the Ramage's and Sieloff's. We've got to get it out of heads that we need to be competitive this year (or next).

Being in a rebuild doesn't preclude going out and making the team better. If an opportunity is there, the Flames should do it - especially on defense.

O'Brien to me isn't doing that bad of a job actually. I'd love to see Butler moved though.

Stupid · 10-24-2013, 04:03 PM

I'd like to do something like this is if we can move a prospect in a position of abundance (say LW) for a prospect D or young D guy with future for the Flames.
If we can flip a vet for a young D that would also fit my bill.

Of course all the other constants remain in place, no post apex etc etc..

CSharp · 10-24-2013, 10:26 PM

get a 6.7 d-man who can skate and have a booming shot on the point. Hmmmm...Chara fits that bill - never gonna get him though.

foshizzle11 · 10-25-2013, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyler

No. If anything, they should be moving the Butler's and O'Brien's of the team and be bringing up the Ramage's and Sieloff's. We've got to get it out of heads that we need to be competitive this year (or next).

This is exactly what should be happening. We don't need to make trades, just need to get more of the young guys playing, no matter how bad they might be, rotate them in and ship out Butler and SOB if you can get anything for them.