Glencross new whipping boy

[Poe969]

If people think that he'd get a lot more, are you open to trading him? If this team is strugling and him being here isn't really making too much of a difference, wouldn't it make sense to trade him? I think teams would over pay to get Clarkson at half his salary right now so if Glencross is going to get twice his salary, every team would line up to get him and over pay for him....

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Poe969

If people think that he'd get a lot more, are you open to trading him? If this team is strugling and him being here isn't really making too much of a difference, wouldn't it make sense to trade him? I think teams would over pay to get Clarkson at half his salary right now so if Glencross is going to get twice his salary, every team would line up to get him and over pay for him....

Even if Glencross is willing to be dealt, he will control where he goes – and we saw how that plays out with Iginla. Limiting the market also limits what you can get for the asset.
For all the outcry to scratch Glencross or what not – this organization is not in a position asset-wise to deal a player when he potentially nets a lower return than he should. They need to work with him to improve his performance, and ideally return him to being an important part of the core. At minimum though that will also help his value.
We’ve seen time and time again how scratching a vet plays out – it rarely works and most often leads to the player being dealt where they improve their performance.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by neo45

It goes to show how fair-weather this site is that Stempniak has become the model for consistency that Glencross should aspire to because he happens to be playing well right now.

That "right now" is a pretty long stretch now.

Is there a streakier player in the league than Stempniak?

Yes. Glencross for example. Or Bourque.

But obviously you're entitled to your opinion. That said, I don't really care why he isn't playing that well. You don't play well, you need to be benched at some point. Now is not necessarily the time, but I think that time needs to come soon. What ever it is that's bugging him, he needs to figure it out somewhere else than on the ice during Flames games.

[Teroy]

Trade him. He's consistently useless.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Trade him. He's consistently useless.

Hello there, this is a hockey forum and we're talking about Curtis Glencross, the guy who has scored 93 goals for us in five seasons, putting him 23rd in Flames franchise all-time list.

He might not be perfect, but he is not useless.

But I'm sure you meant to post that somewhere else.

No, I don't think anyone will take Butler.

[Rerun]

Trade him? No. He's better than he's shown so far.... we all know that. He's proven it in the past. He'll turn it around eventually.

But I wouldn't be surprised to find Cammy takes his spot on his line and Glencross ends up playing with Colborne as his center.

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by neo45

It goes to show how fair-weather this site is that Stempniak has become the model for consistency that Glencross should aspire to because he happens to be playing well right now.


Is there a streakier player in the league than Stempniak? Seriously? He is going to get his own thread like this one by the end of the year and everybody will be praising Glencross in it for turning his season around

These are hot/cold players people, there is a reason they aren't earning 5 million per season.

Stempniak has been playing well since last season and has continued to pick up his game even this year. Only 1 goal in his last 5 games but still doing all the little things which make you notice him in a good way.

It might be understandable if Glencross was a sophomore player who is struggling to remember what brought him success but at 30 years of age you would think he is mature enough to take perspective. That's why a benching isn't a bad idea to let him gather himself.

[Bertuzzied]

He is like the new Bork. Lazy, inconsistent, lacks heart, but still ends up on the score sheet somehow with 2nd assists and meaningless goals.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

He is like the new Bork. Lazy, inconsistent, lacks heart, but still ends up on the score sheet somehow with 2nd assists and meaningless goals.

Or two game winning goals...but whatever. Carry on.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

Or two game winning goals...but whatever. Carry on.

Clearly facts are not desired in this thread.

[DT77]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

What?

Last year he was on a 30 goal pace, after 24 an 26 the prior 2 years

I haven't looked, but I would bet that there are less than 50 guys who have scored more goals than Glencross in the last 3 years - probably way less (I would guess 30 - 35).

He would get at least $4m per as a free agent today.

Think of some of the guys that have recently gotten $5m

Just for argument's sake: http://hkref.com/tiny/kVfWB Since 2010-11.

• 43 players have scored more goals than Glencross since his breakout season. Some good names both ahead and behind him on that list.
• Only 33 players have scored more goals per game in that time-frame.
• Based on points, 81 players have scored more.
• His 18.6% shooting percentage is the best in the NHL in that time-span for a player with 50 or more goals.

I think expectations have been pretty high since scoring 26 goals in 67 games in 2011-12. First year of a great contract and he put up fantastic numbers - it's hard not to have high expectations.

Anyway, I'm in the "it's early, let's give this team some time before we start calling players out" camp. Though, I know that's not how we do things around here.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Trade him. He's consistently useless.

Butler has his legion of haters and just wondering if Glencross got traded who would you all turn your attention to for the next whipping boy? It's pretty clear some of you aren't happy unless you have a player to rag on continually.

[lifetimefan]

Originally Posted by Rerun

He'll turn it around eventually.

When? He's been terrible for 7 games. 7 more? 14? Only Glencross knows.
How long will he perform as expected, until he regresses to his current level of play, or worse?

Glencross is like a menopausal wife - you never know what you're getting from one day to the next, and it's that inconsistency that is counterproductive. The younger guys see it as a pass to take a night off when they feel like it.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by lifetimefan

When? He's been terrible for 7 games. 7 more? 14? Only Glencross knows.
How long will he perform as expected, until he regresses to his current level of play, or worse?

Glencross is like a menopausal wife - you never know what you're getting from one day to the next, and it's that inconsistency that is counterproductive. The younger guys see it as a pass to take a night off when they feel like it.

Which ones? Link please.

I am wiling to bet there isn't one young guy on the team that thinks Glencross is lazy. Guaranteed there aren't any that are thinking "I can take a night off when I feel like it because Glencross does"

[Poe969]

I agree no other guy is saying "I can take a night off when I feel like it" but I'm sure they think that Glencross does some nights. The plays that he's made so far this year have shown he doesn't seem to care much. Now I'm sorry I can't provide a link to what players think (yet) and I can say that I haven't spoke with any of the players regarding this. What I can say is that most of us see it and we're not right there. If we can see it, I'm sure his team mates can.

Most of the guys out there have been busting their back sides and working hard for every inch, some haven't. If we can tell by watching the games, you have to think that the people that much closer to it see it too

[lifetimefan]

Every other player on the team.
It sets a precedent that if you're playing lazy and uninterested, you still get your ToI with no repercussions, no accountability.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by neo45

It goes to show how fair-weather this site is that Stempniak has become the model for consistency that Glencross should aspire to because he happens to be playing well right now.


Is there a streakier player in the league than Stempniak? Seriously? He is going to get his own thread like this one by the end of the year and everybody will be praising Glencross in it for turning his season around

These are hot/cold players people, there is a reason they aren't earning 5 million per season.

People complaining about Glencross aren't complaining about his production, they're complaining about the inconsistency of his effort. If Stempniak's production goes cold (and it will - I have him in my pool), he'll at least maintain a consistent effort.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Clearly facts are not desired in this thread.

Nevermind...what are you talking about. It's clear as day on the Flames stats page...Flames have 3 wins and Glencross has 2 game winners.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I agree no other guy is saying "I can take a night off when I feel like it" but I'm sure they think that Glencross does some nights. The plays that he's made so far this year have shown he doesn't seem to care much. Now I'm sorry I can't provide a link to what players think (yet) and I can say that I haven't spoke with any of the players regarding this. What I can say is that most of us see it and we're not right there. If we can see it, I'm sure his team mates can.

Most of the guys out there have been busting their back sides and working hard for every inch, some haven't. If we can tell by watching the games, you have to think that the people that much closer to it see it too

No, the players' perspective is very different - not only does the game look different from the bench, but plays that fans interpret as lazy, aren't necessarily. The players know and understand what the coach has asked them to do - the fans can only guess.

Also, the players see each other every day in practice, in the room, in the gym etc.

It's completely different.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Lol Rhett Warrener again. His attitude since retiring has completely changed my view of him as a player.

It's so rare to hear a professional athlete - even a former one -speak honestly and candidly about what goes on behind the scenes that Warrener is bound to upset some people. Me, I think it's great. I don't need the delusion of a bunch of super guys who are great friends and always trying their best for the team in order to find NHL hockey engaging.