Lebrun: Oilers among eight teams on miller's no-trade list

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Spoiler!

Honestly from an outsiders perspective I don't see a lot of difference between the cities of Calgary and Edmonton.. so a lot of these jokes are lost on me. If I was a hockey player from out east they would both look the same and both would be on my list. I think this is why we saw the Flames targetting the heck out of local Alberta boys this summer. They realize that a small market team is tough to sell, especially in rebuild mode and especially without any super star elite players.

err I mean, Ha Ha stupid Oilers?

Well if you can't tell the massive difference between Calgary and Edmonton there's no need to even mention you're an outsider.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

Detroit is certainly one of the worst cities to live in out of the 30 NHL team cities. However, they have the best run organization and that's why it appeals to players. Organization > City in terms of attracting players.

The city of Detroit is awful, the surrounding communities are still very nice, there has just been a flood of money away from Detroit proper resulting in a decrease in tax revenue, thus furthering the problem. Areas like Oakland County are still attractive areas to live in, it isn't as though there are Red Wing players who live in the slums in Detroit.

[D-Red]

This thread reminds me of an article I read back in July. I remember laughing and wondering what the heck the guy was thinking putting this together. Edmonton at 18? Calgary last made me roll my eyes, especially after the "logic" being described underneath. More ignorance than anything. Yikes.

http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2013/0...d-free-agents/

On the Miller front, that's too bad. Would have loved to have seen the Coilers give up an asset for a goalie that would most likely leave at the end of the year.

Also... ha ha Oilers!

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Well if you can't tell the massive difference between Calgary and Edmonton there's no need to even mention you're an outsider.

No kidding. I realize we at times go over the top in denouncing the city of Edmonton but you can't tell me that the two cities are similar in anything other than size, population, and climate. Calgary is always ranked very highly as one of the world's most livable cities while Edmonton is very unremarkable.

I don't doubt for a minute that the Flames are also one of the teams on Miller's list and on a lot of players lists but that has more to do with climate and team's current rebuilding situation. Calgary simply doesn't have that stigma that Edmonton has of a place not to be and you can bet if players could only put one team on their list it would be Edmonton in most cases by a considerable margin.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You would be surprised. I find a portion of Torontonians look down on Western Canada and some of it is due to prejudice and ignorance not unlike how Americans view us. I had a customer from Toronto coming into town last December for a week and she was all worried about the weather here and having proper clothing. I actually jokingly said; "You know Calgary isn't near the North Pole."

That's so sad.

I think most Canadian high-level hockey players, no matter where they're from, have some sort of experience in western canada through hockey. Even if it's not first hand (ie. have played with someone who was traded there or smthing).

Gio's from TO

[jschick88]

Not really sure where to put this but...

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Like you said, this has come up before, most recently during the summer. I have family that used to live in the Michigan and Connecticut area and now live in California. I've seen plenty of Detroit and that "metropolitan" area to know they make Calgary look like eden. So I'm sure if Calgary was competitive they would have no problem attracting UFAs.

In a Hockey News poll of NHL players from about five years ago, Calgary ranked 19th in cities players would want to live in. And this was when the Flames were a perennial playoff team.

And again, the experience and preferences of middle-class people are irrelevant to the topic. I remember back when a bunch of NHL players lived in Oakridge. The notion of an NHLer today living in a neighbourhood like Oakridge is comical.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

No kidding. I realize we at times go over the top in denouncing the city of Edmonton but you can't tell me that the two cities are similar in anything other than size, population, and climate.

Even climate is not all that similar....in Edmonton (correct me if I'm wrong) there are no breaks in winter. In Calgary, it's not unusual to have a few days of + in the middle of February

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

In a Hockey News poll of NHL players from about five years ago, Calgary ranked 19th in cities players would want to live in. And this was when the Flames were a perennial playoff team.

And again, the experience and preferences of middle-class people are irrelevant to the topic. I remember back when a bunch of NHL players lived in Oakridge. The notion of an NHLer today living in a neighbourhood like Oakridge is comical.

19th place for a (13th) place team? Big whoop. Sure I'll give you LA, Anahaim, Boston and NY..... but the rest, meh. I think there is too much envy for American cities, not sure why. (Whats really so great about Columbas, Minnisota, Phoenix, etc? I do really like Boulder, CO which is within a earshot of Denver.) I'll give you restaraunts, sure (and I realize this is a big factor). Maybe some people really really like shopping. I think Calgary has better things to offer.

(to answer your question, most of them are American women but we aren't millionairs...)

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by heep223

Even climate is not all that similar....in Edmonton (correct me if I'm wrong) there are no breaks in winter. In Calgary, it's not unusual to have a few days of + in the middle of February

It's still the overall coldest winter climate of all NHL teams after Edmonton and Winnipeg.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's still the overall coldest winter climate of all NHL teams after Edmonton and Winnipeg.

Montreal and Ottawa?

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tabl...hys08b-eng.htm

Calgarys Average Winter Temperature is simular to Torontos.
Only Vancouver is noticably better of all the Canadian Cities.

And you have to Remember -2 in Toronto is way colder than -2 in Calgary.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by heep223

Even climate is not all that similar....in Edmonton (correct me if I'm wrong) there are no breaks in winter. In Calgary, it's not unusual to have a few days of + in the middle of February

Its pretty much the same just no chinooks.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's still the overall coldest winter climate of all NHL teams after Edmonton and Winnipeg.

How about Minnisota? They had no problem getting Parise/Suter.

[Scoreface]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

Its pretty much the same just no chinooks.

Lethbridge has the mondo chinooks..wait a minute..

The Hurricanes blow..that's all I got

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

How about Minnisota? They had no problem getting Parise/Suter.

They're from Minnesota. And IIRC, so are their spouses.

[FlamesFanStrandedInEDM]

Dare i say this...but,

As a born and raised Calgarian who lived in Edmonton for 4 years, I can honestly say, Edmonton is not that bad of a city. Living in Grande Prairie now, i would give my left nut to live in Edmonton.

Compared to Calgary, It is almost identical in what it has to offer. There is no reason a millionare cant be comfortable in Edmonton. These guys are professional athletes who spend half their life on the road in the winter anyway. It has good schools, expensive stores, and wealthy subdivisions. There are far bigger dumps a player could play in.

Any issues people have with going to Edmonton should not be based on the city itself but the organization.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by #-3

Montreal and Ottawa?

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tabl...hys08b-eng.htm

Calgarys Average Winter Temperature is simular to Torontos.
Only Vancouver is noticably better of all the Canadian Cities.

And you have to Remember -2 in Toronto is way colder than -2 in Calgary.

From the link:

January Average Low

Toronto: -10.5
Calgary: -15.1
Edmonton: -19.1

How often does Toronto have a cold snap of -20 and lower? Almost never.

Calgary's winter is at least a month longer, with 88 days with at least an inch of snow on the ground versus 65 in Toronto.

[Scoreface]

Originally Posted by FlamesFanStrandedInEDM

Dare i say this...but,

As a born and raised Calgarian who lived in Edmonton for 4 years, I can honestly say, Edmonton is not that bad of a city. Living in Grande Prairie now, i would give my left nut to live in Edmonton.

Compared to Calgary, It is almost identical in what it has to offer. There is no reason a millionare cant be comfortable in Edmonton. These guys are professional athletes who spend half their life on the road in the winter anyway. It has good schools, expensive stores, and wealthy subdivisions. There are far bigger dumps a player could play in.

Any issues people have with going to Edmonton should not be based on the city itself but the organization.

So you're feeling stranded there because of the fans and not because it's a dump with a mall??

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

They're from Minnesota. And IIRC, so are their spouses.

I thought it was all about shopping?

[WilderPegasus]

Originally Posted by FlamesFanStrandedInEDM

There is no reason a millionare cant be comfortable in Edmonton. These guys are professional athletes who spend half their life on the road in the winter anyway. It has good schools, expensive stores, and wealthy subdivisions. There are far bigger dumps a player could play in.

In the NHL? Where? Winnipeg and Buffalo are the only real contenders.