Brian "Friken" McGrattan

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Parallex

With all due respect that is the bullspit... McGrattan does not have even a single hockey skill that he does better then Jackman.

Ha, he's a better fighter by far and it is a hockey skill.

[the_professsor]

Originally Posted by Parallex

It's a rate stat you simple take the counting stat (in this case Blocked Shots) and mathamatically apply it to a constant time period.

So for example two players one has 5 blocked shots in 5 minutes of play he'd have a Blocked Shot rate of 60/60 (sixty blocked shots per sixty minutes of play) take another player who has a 5 blocked shots but 15 minutes of play his rate would be 20/60 [(5/15) x 60]=20.

The constant doesn't have to be 60 I just used that as an example. It's just a means of normalizing for different icetimes.

Thanks for the detailed explanation (formulas included!)



I was hoping you might address the portion of my post that challenges your stat, rather than the last one liner that was clearly a joke.

[djsFlames]

Could we please have some consistency in the spelling of the word "Frickin'" for these threads please? It drives me a bit bonkers. I mean how difficult is that to do?

Seems like we find a new way to spell it every time a new one pops up.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by the_professsor

I was hoping you might address the portion of my post that challenges your stat.

It's not "my" stat... I didn't even initially bring it up, Enoch did.

To make a more broad commentary I would more prefer that every individual player have about the same BS/TOI ratio. I don't expect our 4th line to be talented enough to play in the offensive zone all the time... I do expect that they overall provide a close to neutral shot differential (effectively either outplay or play to a draw with other fourth lines) especially for a guy like McGrattan who gets the easiest zone start on the team. When McGrattan is on the ice the puck moves in the wrong direction.

[MolsonInBothHands]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Could we please have some consistency in the spelling of the word "Frickin'" for these threads please? It drives me a bit bonkers. I mean how difficult is that to do?

Seems like we find a new way to spell it every time a new one pops up.

You're frickin' complaining about the frikkin' spelling of something that isn't even a frikking word? That's frikken crazy.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Parallex

It's not "my" stat... I didn't even initially bring it up, Enoch did.

To make a more broad commentary I would more prefer that every individual player have about the same BS/TOI ratio. I don't expect our 4th line to be talented enough to play in the offensive zone all the time... I do expect that they overall provide a close to neutral shot differential (effectively either outplay or play to a draw with other fourth lines) especially for a guy like McGrattan who gets the easiest zone start on the team. When McGrattan is on the ice the puck moves in the wrong direction.

This whole BS/TOI being bad argument is dumb.

It just isn't. Each blocked shot is a shot that is taken away from the other team, that's part of the goal for forwards put in a non-offensive position. You can argue for neutral shot differential all you want, but players playing in defensive/grinder/energy lines will always allow more shots than other lines. It would be ridiculous to put out your least talented line against a line with say, the Sedins, and say "ok, go out there and take as many shots as you allow". That would require equal puck possession, and in what fantasy world is your fourth line going to have equal puck position to the first line of the opposing team? That's a pretty pisspoor first line if you ask me.

Blocked shots are a valuable defensive tool, and if a player like McGrattan is blocking a lot of shots based on his TOI, that's a good thing. If you're putting up McGrattan against a player like, say, Erik Karlsson, or Datsyuk, or Kane, etc, you better HOPE he's going to block a lot of shots, because in no logical world is he going to be picking pockets or dominating puck possession. Same goes for Bouma, Street, Jackman, Butler, O'Brien, etc.

It's just naive to think any of those guys should have comparable puck possession to highly talented individuals.

[MolsonInBothHands]

Wasn't Giordano in the tops in the league last year for blocked shots? So by that logic, he was terrible?

[Wastedyouth]

Are you guys seriously not understanding what Parrallex and I are saying? It's pretty simple.

[Zevo]

Ya! And what a shiddy effort by Bouma last game. All those blocked shots. What was he thinking, He could of cost us the game!

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Are you guys seriously not understanding what Parrallex and I are saying? It's pretty simple.

No you're right man, your point is valid and makes total sense, everyone else is wrong but the two of you.

[djsFlames]

I mean consistency. Pick one.

Frickin' is my vote

And stick to it. No Frikin, fricken, fricking, frikkin, frikken or frikens.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by strombad

No you're right man, your point is valid and makes total sense, everyone else is wrong but the two of you.

I'm not saying everyone else is wrong. Just like I'm not saying blocked shots are bad.

But this seems to be too complicated of a subject for some, so I'm gonna give up on it.

[Freeway]

I thought the Jackman, Colborne, McGrattan line was perfectly acceptable against New Jersey.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

I'm not saying everyone else is wrong. Just like I'm not saying blocked shots are bad.

But this seems to be too complicated of a subject for some, so I'm gonna give up on it.

Most people here are able to understand complex subjects. When the two of you complicate a subject by relying on poor logic, it makes it difficult for anyone to understand.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by strombad

Most people here are able to understand complex subjects. When the two of you complicate a subject by relying on poor logic, it makes it difficult for anyone to understand.

Nothing about what we were saying was remotely difficult. I think you believe its poor logic because you can't seem to follow it.

*thumbs up*

[Zevo]

Trying to think which banned poster wastedyouth reminds me of. Which one was always so condescending. EddyBeers?

[TheDebaser]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Nothing about what we were saying was remotely difficult. I think you believe its poor logic because you can't seem to follow it.

*thumbs up*

If it's simple, but people can't follow it, your wording was unclear.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Nothing about what we were saying was remotely difficult. I think you believe its poor logic because you can't seem to follow it.

*thumbs up*

Again, everyone must be unable to understand the two of you eh? You're just that far above the cut?

See the problem here? You haven't ever done anything to suggest you're above the intelligence of the average poster, so how is it that suddenly only the two of you can understand this decidedly simple logic?

Must just be that smart I suppose, so far above us average folk who rely on simple things like logic and sense to get through a discussion.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Zevo

Trying to think which banned poster wastedyouth reminds me of. Which one was always so condescending. EddyBeers?

that's my guess

[Stupid]

You guys are so smart and I'm so stupid.
I thought we'd discuss McGrattan or fighting or something in the vicinity of being on-topic.
Sadly it seems it's not much more than a discussion about the merit of certain stats.